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You don’t win three Super Bowls without knowing how to be a great teammate.

Jason Garrett spent years as an NFL quarterback, then served as Head Coach of the Dallas Cowboys. And through it all, he’s learned that strong teams need shared commitment from everyone, not just the leader.

In this episode, he shares how strong teams are forged – and it’s often not what you’d expect. If you want to build a culture where anyone can step up and lead, this is the episode for you.

Plus, it’s full of great stories about Troy Aikman, Nick Saban, and other legends of the game!

You’ll also learn:

How to create a supportive culture without lowering standards
An unforgettable way to reframe high-pressure situations
What you miss when you only focus on outcomes
Why your vision isn’t sticking

","WEBVTT\n\n1\n00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:02.800\n- Hello everybody and welcome to another episode\n\n2\n00:00:02.800 --> 00:00:05.020\nof How Leaders Lead with David Novak.\n\n3\n00:00:05.020 --> 00:00:08.060\nToday's episode comes just in time for the Super Bowl.\n\n4\n00:00:08.060 --> 00:00:10.780\nWe've gotten Jason Garrett on the show today.\n\n5\n00:00:10.780 --> 00:00:12.760\nJason is a former NFL head coach,\n\n6\n00:00:12.760 --> 00:00:15.240\na three-time Super Bowl champion himself\n\n7\n00:00:15.240 --> 00:00:17.080\nas a player for the Dallas Cowboys,\n\n8\n00:00:17.080 --> 00:00:19.920\nand now he's a sports analyst for NBC.\n\n9\n00:00:19.920 --> 00:00:21.200\nThroughout his entire career,\n\n10\n00:00:21.200 --> 00:00:24.240\nhe's learned that strong teams need shared commitment\n\n11\n00:00:24.240 --> 00:00:27.160\nfrom everyone, not just the person in charge.\n\n12\n00:00:27.160 --> 00:00:28.480\nAnd in today's episode,\n\n13\n00:00:28.480 --> 00:00:30.460\nyou're gonna get inside his mind\n\n14\n00:00:30.460 --> 00:00:33.880\nand really understand how he thinks about team bonding\n\n15\n00:00:33.880 --> 00:00:35.640\nand empowering people to lead,\n\n16\n00:00:35.640 --> 00:00:38.120\nregardless of the role that they're in.\n\n17\n00:00:38.120 --> 00:00:40.680\nEnjoy this conversation between David and Jason,\n\n18\n00:00:40.680 --> 00:00:44.280\nand be sure to stay tuned to the very end of the episode\n\n19\n00:00:44.280 --> 00:00:45.340\nfor the deep brief.\n\n20\n00:00:45.340 --> 00:00:53.520\n- You know, I just learned in a couple of days,\n\n21\n00:00:53.520 --> 00:00:54.720\nyou're gonna be interviewing\n\n22\n00:00:54.720 --> 00:00:58.200\nfor the Tennessee Titans head coach job.\n\n23\n00:00:58.200 --> 00:01:00.520\nI gotta tell you, I'm glad you didn't dump me.\n\n24\n00:01:00.520 --> 00:01:02.240\n- I won't miss this for the world, David.\n\n25\n00:01:02.240 --> 00:01:05.160\n- So, is this a job you're really, really excited about,\n\n26\n00:01:05.160 --> 00:01:06.840\nor is it just exploratory?\n\n27\n00:01:06.840 --> 00:01:08.600\n- You know, I love coaching football.\n\n28\n00:01:08.600 --> 00:01:09.800\nI did it for a long time\n\n29\n00:01:09.800 --> 00:01:11.480\nand feel really fortunate to have done it.\n\n30\n00:01:11.480 --> 00:01:13.360\nAnd I love the job I have now.\n\n31\n00:01:13.360 --> 00:01:15.560\nI'm in a work for NBC and, you know,\n\n32\n00:01:15.560 --> 00:01:18.280\nI would do football night in America on Sunday nights\n\n33\n00:01:18.280 --> 00:01:19.600\nand I have a great group of people.\n\n34\n00:01:19.600 --> 00:01:23.320\nAnd, you know, this just came upon me.\n\n35\n00:01:23.320 --> 00:01:24.960\nTheir general manager reached out\n\n36\n00:01:24.960 --> 00:01:26.520\nand we had a good conversation.\n\n37\n00:01:26.520 --> 00:01:27.960\nAnd he said, \"What do you think about, you know,\n\n38\n00:01:27.960 --> 00:01:30.240\n\"coming down and talking to us about, you know,\n\n39\n00:01:30.240 --> 00:01:32.240\n\"what your vision is for the Tennessee Titans?\"\n\n40\n00:01:32.240 --> 00:01:34.880\nSo I said, \"Absolutely, you know, I've done this before.\"\n\n41\n00:01:34.880 --> 00:01:37.880\nAnd like I said, I love coaching.\n\n42\n00:01:37.880 --> 00:01:39.720\nI love being the head coach of the Cowboys.\n\n43\n00:01:39.720 --> 00:01:41.600\nSo this will be a fun opportunity.\n\n44\n00:01:41.600 --> 00:01:44.360\nIt's not like I was looking for this necessarily,\n\n45\n00:01:44.360 --> 00:01:46.040\nbut it came upon me and, you know,\n\n46\n00:01:46.040 --> 00:01:47.000\nwe're gonna go down and visit.\n\n47\n00:01:47.000 --> 00:01:48.480\nIt'll be a fun day.\n\n48\n00:01:48.480 --> 00:01:50.760\n- You won division titles as a cowboy coach\n\n49\n00:01:50.760 --> 00:01:52.960\nor the coach of the year, you know,\n\n50\n00:01:52.960 --> 00:01:54.320\nobviously you have a great resume,\n\n51\n00:01:54.320 --> 00:01:58.440\nbut how do you personally get prepared for an interview like this?\n\n52\n00:01:58.440 --> 00:02:00.800\n- You know, I think more than anything else,\n\n53\n00:02:00.800 --> 00:02:02.360\nyou just have to think about it.\n\n54\n00:02:02.360 --> 00:02:03.880\nYou have to think about, you know,\n\n55\n00:02:03.880 --> 00:02:06.040\nwhat your vision is for the team\n\n56\n00:02:06.040 --> 00:02:07.760\nand what you want the team to look like.\n\n57\n00:02:07.760 --> 00:02:11.320\nAnd that's something I talked to our guys about all the time\n\n58\n00:02:11.320 --> 00:02:13.040\nwhen I was the head coach of the Cowboys.\n\n59\n00:02:13.040 --> 00:02:14.480\nYou know, that's what leaders need to do,\n\n60\n00:02:14.480 --> 00:02:18.640\nfirst and foremost, regardless of what your profession is\n\n61\n00:02:18.640 --> 00:02:21.200\nand what your line of work is, is you have to,\n\n62\n00:02:21.200 --> 00:02:23.400\nokay, what's the vision?\n\n63\n00:02:23.400 --> 00:02:24.600\nWhat do you want this to look like?\n\n64\n00:02:24.600 --> 00:02:26.760\nAnd then you start thinking about, okay,\n\n65\n00:02:26.760 --> 00:02:28.680\nwho are the people that I want with me\n\n66\n00:02:28.680 --> 00:02:30.400\nto make this vision come alive?\n\n67\n00:02:30.400 --> 00:02:32.760\nAnd then you start thinking about the different steps\n\n68\n00:02:32.760 --> 00:02:34.760\nyou take and, you know, in football,\n\n69\n00:02:34.760 --> 00:02:36.200\na lot of it is about personnel.\n\n70\n00:02:36.200 --> 00:02:39.320\nSo you study, you know, the Tennessee Titans roster,\n\n71\n00:02:39.320 --> 00:02:42.520\na lot of the guys I know from studying them in college\n\n72\n00:02:42.520 --> 00:02:45.400\nor in the NFL, but you really hone in and say, okay,\n\n73\n00:02:45.400 --> 00:02:47.880\nthese are the pieces that I really like.\n\n74\n00:02:47.880 --> 00:02:50.320\nThis is the area where we got to get a little bit better.\n\n75\n00:02:50.320 --> 00:02:52.520\nAnd then, you know, you go there on Friday\n\n76\n00:02:52.520 --> 00:02:54.400\nand you're going to talk to the general manager\n\n77\n00:02:54.400 --> 00:02:56.000\nof some other people in their front office\n\n78\n00:02:56.000 --> 00:02:57.680\nand you really share the vision.\n\n79\n00:02:57.680 --> 00:03:01.360\nThis is what I think if I were the head coach of this team,\n\n80\n00:03:01.360 --> 00:03:02.920\nthis is what I think it should look like.\n\n81\n00:03:02.920 --> 00:03:04.800\nThese are the kind of people we want.\n\n82\n00:03:04.800 --> 00:03:07.000\nI think some of these people are in-house,\n\n83\n00:03:07.000 --> 00:03:09.080\nwhether it's on their staff or on their team.\n\n84\n00:03:09.080 --> 00:03:11.720\nAnd then, hey, these are the steps we need to take to go\n\n85\n00:03:11.720 --> 00:03:14.520\nget some other people to make this thing come alive.\n\n86\n00:03:14.520 --> 00:03:16.280\nAnd, you know, a lot of it is,\n\n87\n00:03:16.280 --> 00:03:17.920\nI was telling somebody the other day, you know,\n\n88\n00:03:17.920 --> 00:03:21.040\nI interviewed for head coaching positions\n\n89\n00:03:21.040 --> 00:03:22.960\nbefore I was a head coach.\n\n90\n00:03:22.960 --> 00:03:26.000\nWhen you do that, you have a lot of ideas\n\n91\n00:03:26.000 --> 00:03:27.680\nand you do have a vision.\n\n92\n00:03:27.680 --> 00:03:30.920\nYou have, you've seen it done a certain way.\n\n93\n00:03:30.920 --> 00:03:34.480\nAnd so you craft a message for people.\n\n94\n00:03:34.480 --> 00:03:36.200\nAnd I think that's all good.\n\n95\n00:03:36.200 --> 00:03:38.720\nThose are the experiences you've had up to that point,\n\n96\n00:03:38.720 --> 00:03:41.800\nbut I was a head coach for nine years.\n\n97\n00:03:41.800 --> 00:03:43.240\nAnd now I come back to this\n\n98\n00:03:43.240 --> 00:03:47.200\nand I have real life experience doing this.\n\n99\n00:03:47.200 --> 00:03:49.960\n- Yeah, I bet there's probably when you think about it\n\n100\n00:03:49.960 --> 00:03:52.320\nand you had a great record, you know?\n\n101\n00:03:52.320 --> 00:03:53.440\nWhat do you do over?\n\n102\n00:03:53.440 --> 00:03:55.440\nAs a leader, I mean, you got to look at yourself\n\n103\n00:03:55.440 --> 00:03:58.040\nand say, hey, you know, I did these things that were great,\n\n104\n00:03:58.040 --> 00:03:59.160\nthese things could be better.\n\n105\n00:03:59.160 --> 00:04:00.920\nWhat would you do over?\n\n106\n00:04:00.920 --> 00:04:03.520\n- Well, that's something I talk to our team about\n\n107\n00:04:03.520 --> 00:04:04.880\nand our coaches about all the time.\n\n108\n00:04:04.880 --> 00:04:07.640\nWe have to be honest and objective with ourselves,\n\n109\n00:04:07.640 --> 00:04:09.560\nindependent of the result.\n\n110\n00:04:09.560 --> 00:04:11.800\nYou know, you come in on Monday to evaluate the game\n\n111\n00:04:11.800 --> 00:04:13.560\nand you're 140 to nothing.\n\n112\n00:04:13.560 --> 00:04:14.920\nEverything wasn't great.\n\n113\n00:04:14.920 --> 00:04:17.320\nYou know, you come in on Monday, you lost 40 to nothing.\n\n114\n00:04:17.320 --> 00:04:19.000\nEverything wasn't terrible.\n\n115\n00:04:19.000 --> 00:04:22.240\nSo how do we objectively analyze ourselves\n\n116\n00:04:22.240 --> 00:04:23.240\nin these situations?\n\n117\n00:04:23.240 --> 00:04:25.520\nAnd there are countless decisions.\n\n118\n00:04:25.520 --> 00:04:28.080\nThey're interactions with people I wish I had over with,\n\n119\n00:04:28.080 --> 00:04:31.520\ncoaches, players, decisions we made.\n\n120\n00:04:31.520 --> 00:04:33.440\nThere's a lot of good decisions we made.\n\n121\n00:04:33.440 --> 00:04:34.720\nAnd then there's some decisions like,\n\n122\n00:04:34.720 --> 00:04:37.680\nah, that was wrong and why was it wrong?\n\n123\n00:04:37.680 --> 00:04:39.560\nI mean, I think that's the important thing.\n\n124\n00:04:39.560 --> 00:04:41.760\nHow do you not make that same mistake?\n\n125\n00:04:41.760 --> 00:04:43.320\nAnd, you know, I think at times\n\n126\n00:04:43.320 --> 00:04:45.500\nwe 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didn't fit with what you guys were doing,\n\n152\n00:05:39.240 --> 00:05:42.400\nwhere they were in their career, maybe a cultural fit,\n\n153\n00:05:42.400 --> 00:05:43.360\nwhatever it is.\n\n154\n00:05:43.360 --> 00:05:45.240\nAnd I think that's how you look at it.\n\n155\n00:05:45.240 --> 00:05:48.640\nI wanna present who I am, the best version of myself,\n\n156\n00:05:48.640 --> 00:05:51.920\ngreat vision for the franchise, if I were the head coach.\n\n157\n00:05:51.920 --> 00:05:53.000\nAnd if it's something that fits\n\n158\n00:05:53.000 --> 00:05:55.360\nwith what they're looking for, fantastic.\n\n159\n00:05:55.360 --> 00:05:57.040\nIf not, that's fine too.\n\n160\n00:05:57.040 --> 00:05:58.480\nYou know, I love what I'm doing right now.\n\n161\n00:05:58.480 --> 00:06:00.320\nBut I'm excited about the opportunity.\n\n162\n00:06:00.320 --> 00:06:01.440\nI think it'll be a fun day.\n\n163\n00:06:01.440 --> 00:06:03.040\n- Yeah, I think it will be too for you.\n\n164\n00:06:03.040 --> 00:06:04.560\nYou know, it's interesting, you know,\n\n165\n00:06:04.560 --> 00:06:05.800\nwhen you think about it,\n\n166\n00:06:05.800 --> 00:06:07.880\nyou're the coach of America's team.\n\n167\n00:06:07.880 --> 00:06:10.920\nYou know, there's no team that gets more, more,\n\n168\n00:06:10.920 --> 00:06:14.040\nyou know, scrutiny than the Dallas Cowboys.\n\n169\n00:06:14.040 --> 00:06:17.640\nAnd you know, they had a great record in the past.\n\n170\n00:06:17.640 --> 00:06:19.240\nI mean, now you're going to the Titans,\n\n171\n00:06:19.240 --> 00:06:21.640\nwhich, you know, they had their ups there for a while,\n\n172\n00:06:21.640 --> 00:06:23.000\nbut they're in the dumps right now.\n\n173\n00:06:23.000 --> 00:06:25.160\nI mean, how do you feel about a turnaround?\n\n174\n00:06:25.160 --> 00:06:26.520\n- You know, I'm excited about it.\n\n175\n00:06:26.520 --> 00:06:29.200\nI'm excited about the pieces in place.\n\n176\n00:06:29.200 --> 00:06:30.960\nYou know, some of the guys that have on their team,\n\n177\n00:06:30.960 --> 00:06:32.320\nthey have a good young quarterback.\n\n178\n00:06:32.320 --> 00:06:33.840\nThere's a couple of guys on defense\n\n179\n00:06:33.840 --> 00:06:35.840\nwho are among the best in the league.\n\n180\n00:06:35.840 --> 00:06:37.480\nAnd so you just start saying, okay,\n\n181\n00:06:37.480 --> 00:06:39.720\nwhat do they have there that you like?\n\n182\n00:06:39.720 --> 00:06:42.200\nAnd I think that's an important thing in leadership too.\n\n183\n00:06:42.200 --> 00:06:43.720\nAnd sometimes you can, you know,\n\n184\n00:06:43.720 --> 00:06:45.000\ncan poison everything.\n\n185\n00:06:45.000 --> 00:06:48.640\nAnd no, no, no, no, let's look at this player by player,\n\n186\n00:06:48.640 --> 00:06:50.440\nyou know, and see what's good here.\n\n187\n00:06:50.440 --> 00:06:52.160\nAnd I think there's a lot of good there.\n\n188\n00:06:52.160 --> 00:06:53.720\nThere's a little bit of a blank slate.\n\n189\n00:06:53.720 --> 00:06:55.680\nThey got a lot of salary cap room.\n\n190\n00:06:55.680 --> 00:06:59.320\nLike I said, I love the general manager, Mike Borgonzi.\n\n191\n00:06:59.320 --> 00:07:01.640\nHe's been, was in Kansas City for a lot of years.\n\n192\n00:07:01.640 --> 00:07:05.160\nSo he and I think have the same values about football\n\n193\n00:07:05.160 --> 00:07:06.480\nand how you want to build it.\n\n194\n00:07:06.480 --> 00:07:08.680\nSo I think it's an exciting place.\n\n195\n00:07:08.680 --> 00:07:11.560\nAnd, you know, won three games this past year.\n\n196\n00:07:11.560 --> 00:07:13.800\nObviously not good, but there were some good elements\n\n197\n00:07:13.800 --> 00:07:16.480\nin some of the other games that I think you can build on.\n\n198\n00:07:16.480 --> 00:07:19.000\nSo it's a Nashville, are you a country music fan?\n\n199\n00:07:19.000 --> 00:07:21.640\nOr is this going to be something you're going to have to pick up?\n\n200\n00:07:21.640 --> 00:07:24.600\nWell, as you know, I've lived in Texas for a long time.\n\n201\n00:07:24.600 --> 00:07:27.280\nSo I've certainly picked it up through the years.\n\n202\n00:07:27.280 --> 00:07:29.680\nAnd I love going to Nashville.\n\n203\n00:07:29.680 --> 00:07:30.880\nWhat a great town, right?\n\n204\n00:07:30.880 --> 00:07:32.840\nI mean, it's fantastic down.\n\n205\n00:07:32.840 --> 00:07:34.760\nYeah, there's so many things that are exciting\n\n206\n00:07:34.760 --> 00:07:36.120\nabout this opportunity.\n\n207\n00:07:36.120 --> 00:07:37.600\nYou know, I just learned that you're,\n\n208\n00:07:37.600 --> 00:07:40.200\nyou run a camp for kids in Princeton\n\n209\n00:07:40.200 --> 00:07:43.280\nand you focus on leadership and, you know,\n\n210\n00:07:43.280 --> 00:07:46.120\nwhere did you get this passion for leadership, Jason?\n\n211\n00:07:46.120 --> 00:07:47.520\nWell, you know, if you think about it,\n\n212\n00:07:47.520 --> 00:07:49.280\nI was a quarterback my whole life.\n\n213\n00:07:49.280 --> 00:07:51.680\nYou know, one of the most important qualities\n\n214\n00:07:51.680 --> 00:07:53.680\nin all the best quarterbacks I've ever been around\n\n215\n00:07:53.680 --> 00:07:55.040\nis they're great leaders.\n\n216\n00:07:55.040 --> 00:07:58.000\nYou know, that they have a way of positively impacting people\n\n217\n00:07:58.000 --> 00:07:58.920\naround them.\n\n218\n00:07:58.920 --> 00:08:00.880\nAnd, you know, I always would say\n\n219\n00:08:00.880 --> 00:08:02.480\nyou're getting a huddle with 10 other guys\n\n220\n00:08:02.480 --> 00:08:04.960\nand you convince them that driving the football\n\n221\n00:08:04.960 --> 00:08:07.200\nand making first downs and scoring points\n\n222\n00:08:07.200 --> 00:08:09.360\nis the most important thing in the world, right?\n\n223\n00:08:09.360 --> 00:08:11.360\nAnd you get everybody to buy in and you go.\n\n224\n00:08:11.360 --> 00:08:13.720\nAnd that's always something that appealed to me\n\n225\n00:08:13.720 --> 00:08:15.000\nabout the position.\n\n226\n00:08:15.000 --> 00:08:16.960\nAnd so I always, I thought about it.\n\n227\n00:08:16.960 --> 00:08:17.840\nI watched guys.\n\n228\n00:08:17.840 --> 00:08:20.560\nI watched people, people who did it at a high level.\n\n229\n00:08:20.560 --> 00:08:22.280\nAnd then when you become a coach,\n\n230\n00:08:22.280 --> 00:08:23.880\nbeing a coach is a leadership role,\n\n231\n00:08:23.880 --> 00:08:27.160\nwhether you're a position coach or coach in the quarterbacks\n\n232\n00:08:27.160 --> 00:08:29.800\nor an offensive coordinator and certainly as a head coach.\n\n233\n00:08:29.800 --> 00:08:32.360\nSo it's been something that I've been drawn to.\n\n234\n00:08:32.360 --> 00:08:34.680\nI've watched shows like this forever, you know,\n\n235\n00:08:34.680 --> 00:08:37.520\n'cause I do think there's a lot of leadership\n\n236\n00:08:37.520 --> 00:08:39.360\nthat is transferable.\n\n237\n00:08:39.360 --> 00:08:41.480\nPeople who are great leaders in different walks of life,\n\n238\n00:08:41.480 --> 00:08:42.680\nyou can learn a ton from them.\n\n239\n00:08:42.680 --> 00:08:45.120\nAnd, you know, you mentioned that the camp that we have,\n\n240\n00:08:45.120 --> 00:08:47.640\nwe do a leadership forum that I'm gonna convince you\n\n241\n00:08:47.640 --> 00:08:48.960\nto come to one of these years.\n\n242\n00:08:48.960 --> 00:08:52.320\nBut, you know, we have these great speakers, you know,\n\n243\n00:08:52.320 --> 00:08:54.720\nguys from football, guys from business.\n\n244\n00:08:54.720 --> 00:08:55.840\nAnd they talk about it.\n\n245\n00:08:55.840 --> 00:08:59.080\nAnd we have these really compelling conversations\n\n246\n00:08:59.080 --> 00:09:01.080\nthat I think everybody who walks out of the room,\n\n247\n00:09:01.080 --> 00:09:02.280\nthey're better because of it.\n\n248\n00:09:02.280 --> 00:09:05.160\nBecause I think everybody in some way is a leader\n\n249\n00:09:05.160 --> 00:09:08.440\nin their life, first you'll lead yourself or lead your family\n\n250\n00:09:08.440 --> 00:09:11.320\nor your church or in your community.\n\n251\n00:09:11.320 --> 00:09:13.680\nSo I think it's something we all can benefit from.\n\n252\n00:09:13.680 --> 00:09:15.080\nYou won three Super Bowls\n\n253\n00:09:15.080 --> 00:09:17.000\nwhen you were playing with the Cowboys.\n\n254\n00:09:17.000 --> 00:09:18.840\nWhat's your favorite Super Bowl story?\n\n255\n00:09:18.840 --> 00:09:20.240\n- Oh, there's so many of them.\n\n256\n00:09:20.240 --> 00:09:21.240\nThere really are.\n\n257\n00:09:21.240 --> 00:09:23.960\nYou know, my first year with the Cowboys was 1992\n\n258\n00:09:23.960 --> 00:09:25.840\nand I was a fledgling pro football player.\n\n259\n00:09:25.840 --> 00:09:27.320\nI was a third string quarterback\n\n260\n00:09:27.320 --> 00:09:30.040\nand got fortunate to be part of a great team.\n\n261\n00:09:30.040 --> 00:09:32.520\nAnd, you know, you talk about leadership.\n\n262\n00:09:32.520 --> 00:09:34.200\nYou know, the leadership of Jimmy Johnson\n\n263\n00:09:34.200 --> 00:09:36.560\nand Troy Aikman and the guys that we had on that team\n\n264\n00:09:36.560 --> 00:09:38.560\nwas pretty remarkable.\n\n265\n00:09:38.560 --> 00:09:41.920\nMy image of that first Super Bowl was in Pasadena.\n\n266\n00:09:41.920 --> 00:09:43.640\nI don't know if you remember, we played the Bills\n\n267\n00:09:43.640 --> 00:09:45.240\nand we really got after them.\n\n268\n00:09:45.240 --> 00:09:47.320\nI think we'd be in '51 to '17\n\n269\n00:09:47.320 --> 00:09:49.400\nand Troy threw four touchdowns.\n\n270\n00:09:49.400 --> 00:09:51.840\nAnd Michael Irvin was, you know, going crazy\n\n271\n00:09:51.840 --> 00:09:53.520\nand our defense was unbelievable.\n\n272\n00:09:53.520 --> 00:09:56.720\nAnd, you know, just the feeling that everybody had\n\n273\n00:09:56.720 --> 00:09:58.760\n'cause it was such a young team\n\n274\n00:09:58.760 --> 00:10:00.240\nand they were just countless stories\n\n275\n00:10:00.240 --> 00:10:02.440\nand everybody kind of looked around at each other.\n\n276\n00:10:02.440 --> 00:10:04.240\nYou know, after you win a playoff game\n\n277\n00:10:04.240 --> 00:10:06.320\nand then you're figuring out you're going to the Super Bowl,\n\n278\n00:10:06.320 --> 00:10:08.680\nlike we're really doing this, you know?\n\n279\n00:10:08.680 --> 00:10:10.640\nAnd you look back on that team,\n\n280\n00:10:10.640 --> 00:10:12.280\nit's one of the best of all time.\n\n281\n00:10:12.280 --> 00:10:13.120\n- Yeah.\n\n282\n00:10:13.120 --> 00:10:15.160\nYou know, what's something most people would never know\n\n283\n00:10:15.160 --> 00:10:17.240\nabout the Super Bowl that only players\n\n284\n00:10:17.240 --> 00:10:18.720\nreally get to experience?\n\n285\n00:10:18.720 --> 00:10:21.240\n- You know, it's really interesting.\n\n286\n00:10:21.240 --> 00:10:23.160\nYou know, I was fortunate to go to four of them.\n\n287\n00:10:23.160 --> 00:10:24.880\nI went to three with the Cowboys\n\n288\n00:10:24.880 --> 00:10:26.520\nand then I went to play for the Giants.\n\n289\n00:10:26.520 --> 00:10:29.000\nWe went there, we actually lost to the Ravens\n\n290\n00:10:29.000 --> 00:10:30.040\nwhen I was with the Giants.\n\n291\n00:10:30.040 --> 00:10:33.840\nBut, you know, every Super Bowl experience is different.\n\n292\n00:10:33.840 --> 00:10:37.040\nIt's the thing that everybody is focused on\n\n293\n00:10:37.040 --> 00:10:39.400\nthroughout their career, if you're a player or coach,\n\n294\n00:10:39.400 --> 00:10:41.080\nbeing part of a Super Bowl team.\n\n295\n00:10:41.080 --> 00:10:43.480\nAnd there have been so many great players and coaches\n\n296\n00:10:43.480 --> 00:10:46.800\nwho haven't had the opportunity to go to one.\n\n297\n00:10:46.800 --> 00:10:48.680\nAnd it's unique.\n\n298\n00:10:48.680 --> 00:10:51.160\nI, you know, I think at some point you pinch yourself\n\n299\n00:10:51.160 --> 00:10:53.920\nand say, we're really doing this.\n\n300\n00:10:53.920 --> 00:10:57.200\nYou know, I actually personally liked the idea of, you know,\n\n301\n00:10:57.200 --> 00:11:00.400\nyou stayed a certain hotel all week and then typically\n\n302\n00:11:00.400 --> 00:11:03.400\nthe night before the game, you go to another hotel\n\n303\n00:11:03.400 --> 00:11:05.480\nand it's secluded away from everybody else.\n\n304\n00:11:05.480 --> 00:11:07.160\nThat's where it really sinks in.\n\n305\n00:11:07.160 --> 00:11:09.200\nYou know, one of the Super Bowls we had,\n\n306\n00:11:09.200 --> 00:11:12.520\nTroy was our quarterback and obviously an amazing player,\n\n307\n00:11:12.520 --> 00:11:15.680\ngreat leader and at the time he was doing a,\n\n308\n00:11:15.680 --> 00:11:20.040\nhe was doing a commercial for some protein product.\n\n309\n00:11:20.040 --> 00:11:21.960\nYou know, it was a commercial where he's out running\n\n310\n00:11:21.960 --> 00:11:24.800\nand he takes his shirt off and he continues jogging\n\n311\n00:11:24.800 --> 00:11:27.600\nwithout his shirt and it's the night before the game.\n\n312\n00:11:27.600 --> 00:11:29.600\nEverybody's in the, in the, in the meal room\n\n313\n00:11:29.600 --> 00:11:32.040\nand you can feel there's tension in the room.\n\n314\n00:11:32.040 --> 00:11:33.520\nEverybody's like, oh, that's Super Bowl.\n\n315\n00:11:33.520 --> 00:11:36.320\nIt's kind of a big deal and everyone maybe is,\n\n316\n00:11:36.320 --> 00:11:39.840\nis uncharacteristically quiet and you can feel the nerves\n\n317\n00:11:39.840 --> 00:11:43.240\nof everybody and, but there's some TVs on and for whatever\n\n318\n00:11:43.240 --> 00:11:46.040\nreason that, that, that commercial pops up.\n\n319\n00:11:46.040 --> 00:11:48.880\nAnd you know, you see Troy running and he takes his shirt off\n\n320\n00:11:48.880 --> 00:11:51.960\nand guys just were absolutely dying.\n\n321\n00:11:51.960 --> 00:11:54.120\nAnd it was one of those, it was one of those moments\n\n322\n00:11:54.120 --> 00:11:57.480\nthat I thought for whatever reason that commercial came up\n\n323\n00:11:57.480 --> 00:11:59.680\nand it just kind of burst everyone's,\n\n324\n00:11:59.680 --> 00:12:02.120\nthe air at everybody and made everybody relax\n\n325\n00:12:02.120 --> 00:12:04.760\nand shirt off the next day we went out more our third.\n\n326\n00:12:04.760 --> 00:12:06.440\nSo it was really fun.\n\n327\n00:12:06.440 --> 00:12:09.200\n- And you've been on the field when the stakes\n\n328\n00:12:09.200 --> 00:12:10.400\nare as high as they get.\n\n329\n00:12:10.400 --> 00:12:13.040\nYou know, what coaching would you give to leaders\n\n330\n00:12:13.040 --> 00:12:17.160\non how to better navigate big time pressure?\n\n331\n00:12:17.160 --> 00:12:18.640\n- You know, it's interesting you talk about,\n\n332\n00:12:18.640 --> 00:12:21.560\nabout those Super Bowls and Jimmy Johnson was our head coach\n\n333\n00:12:21.560 --> 00:12:23.240\nfor the first two of those.\n\n334\n00:12:23.240 --> 00:12:26.600\nAnd I'll never forget the meeting he had\n\n335\n00:12:26.600 --> 00:12:28.120\nbefore the first Super Bowl.\n\n336\n00:12:28.120 --> 00:12:31.200\nAnd you know, he said, if I, he comes into the team meeting\n\n337\n00:12:31.200 --> 00:12:33.880\nthere's whatever, 60, 70 guys in the room\n\n338\n00:12:33.880 --> 00:12:36.240\nand everybody's excited about the opportunity\n\n339\n00:12:36.240 --> 00:12:38.760\nchopping at the bid and it was our first one.\n\n340\n00:12:38.760 --> 00:12:41.560\nAnd he said, hey, if I brought a two by four,\n\n341\n00:12:41.560 --> 00:12:44.240\n10 yards long and put it in the front of this room\n\n342\n00:12:44.240 --> 00:12:46.880\non the floor and asked you guys to come down\n\n343\n00:12:46.880 --> 00:12:49.440\nand walk across it, he said, I know a lot of you guys,\n\n344\n00:12:49.440 --> 00:12:51.880\nyou'd walk across, some of you guys would turn around,\n\n345\n00:12:51.880 --> 00:12:54.400\ngo backwards, some guys would do a handstands,\n\n346\n00:12:54.400 --> 00:12:56.400\njump on one foot, whatever.\n\n347\n00:12:56.400 --> 00:12:58.800\nHe said, if I took that same two by four\n\n348\n00:12:58.800 --> 00:13:01.960\nand put it a hundred stories up between two skyscrapers\n\n349\n00:13:01.960 --> 00:13:06.280\nand asked you to walk across, how would you walk across it then?\n\n350\n00:13:06.280 --> 00:13:08.320\nHe said, it's the same two by four.\n\n351\n00:13:08.320 --> 00:13:10.760\nWould you walk across with that same confidence?\n\n352\n00:13:10.760 --> 00:13:13.120\nOr would you worry about falling?\n\n353\n00:13:13.120 --> 00:13:15.200\nAnd he went on to make the point that he said,\n\n354\n00:13:15.200 --> 00:13:17.200\nhey, if we have the Buffalo Bills\n\n355\n00:13:17.200 --> 00:13:20.360\non our practice field out here at Valley Ranch,\n\n356\n00:13:20.360 --> 00:13:22.320\nI think everybody in the room feels pretty confident\n\n357\n00:13:22.320 --> 00:13:23.400\nwe beat him.\n\n358\n00:13:23.400 --> 00:13:25.840\nBut he said, just because we're going to the Rose Bowl,\n\n359\n00:13:25.840 --> 00:13:27.480\nthere can be a hundred thousand people,\n\n360\n00:13:27.480 --> 00:13:29.280\na hundred million people watching\n\n361\n00:13:29.280 --> 00:13:31.520\nand we're playing for the championship of the world,\n\n362\n00:13:31.520 --> 00:13:34.360\nhe kept saying it's the same two by four.\n\n363\n00:13:34.360 --> 00:13:35.960\nAnd to me, that always resonated\n\n364\n00:13:35.960 --> 00:13:38.480\nbecause in order to play your best,\n\n365\n00:13:38.480 --> 00:13:40.040\nyou just wanna make it familiar.\n\n366\n00:13:40.040 --> 00:13:42.280\nYou wanna be able to take practice to the game\n\n367\n00:13:42.280 --> 00:13:43.840\nand treat this game like any other\n\n368\n00:13:43.840 --> 00:13:45.520\nand just go out and execute.\n\n369\n00:13:45.520 --> 00:13:46.960\nAnd that always resonated with me.\n\n370\n00:13:46.960 --> 00:13:48.040\nI think it's a great image.\n\n371\n00:13:48.040 --> 00:13:49.520\n- Oh, that's a great story.\n\n372\n00:13:49.520 --> 00:13:51.280\nYou mentioned that 1992 team,\n\n373\n00:13:51.280 --> 00:13:54.200\nyou had Troy Aikman, Emmett Smith, Michael Irwin,\n\n374\n00:13:54.200 --> 00:13:56.640\nsome of the best to ever play the game.\n\n375\n00:13:56.640 --> 00:13:58.320\nWhat did you learn from them\n\n376\n00:13:58.320 --> 00:14:00.620\nabout what it takes to be great?\n\n377\n00:14:00.620 --> 00:14:03.720\n- You know, if you reflect back on those teams\n\n378\n00:14:03.720 --> 00:14:06.240\nand I really credit Jimmy Johnson for this,\n\n379\n00:14:06.240 --> 00:14:09.360\nis the attitude and the atmosphere\n\n380\n00:14:09.360 --> 00:14:12.240\nand the culture of hard work existed.\n\n381\n00:14:12.240 --> 00:14:14.280\nYou know, we were in that building on March 1st,\n\n382\n00:14:14.280 --> 00:14:15.560\nworking out four days a week,\n\n383\n00:14:15.560 --> 00:14:19.560\nlift and running for months before we started doing football.\n\n384\n00:14:19.560 --> 00:14:21.520\nAnd you lay this amazing foundation\n\n385\n00:14:21.520 --> 00:14:23.640\nand everybody was working together.\n\n386\n00:14:23.640 --> 00:14:27.240\nAnd, you know, those days in the NFL are no longer.\n\n387\n00:14:27.240 --> 00:14:28.360\nThere's a lot of rules about\n\n388\n00:14:28.360 --> 00:14:31.080\nwhen you can work out together and all of that.\n\n389\n00:14:31.080 --> 00:14:32.760\nBut, you know, just the idea\n\n390\n00:14:32.760 --> 00:14:35.760\nthat the bonds formed through shared commitment,\n\n391\n00:14:35.760 --> 00:14:37.320\nthey last forever.\n\n392\n00:14:37.320 --> 00:14:39.120\nAnd, you know, the commitment that we all made\n\n393\n00:14:39.120 --> 00:14:41.960\nto each other and the hard work and all of that,\n\n394\n00:14:41.960 --> 00:14:44.080\nyou know, that led to some amazing success.\n\n395\n00:14:44.080 --> 00:14:46.120\nAnd, you know, Michael Irvin, you know,\n\n396\n00:14:46.120 --> 00:14:47.680\nreally said it beautifully once.\n\n397\n00:14:47.680 --> 00:14:49.680\nHe said, \"If you don't work together,\n\n398\n00:14:49.680 --> 00:14:52.360\nyou never have a voice with your teammates.\"\n\n399\n00:14:52.360 --> 00:14:54.080\nI don't care how many touchdowns you score,\n\n400\n00:14:54.080 --> 00:14:55.480\nhow many sacks you make.\n\n401\n00:14:55.480 --> 00:14:58.080\nBut if you haven't been in the trenches with your teammates,\n\n402\n00:14:58.080 --> 00:15:01.200\nwhen it gets to a big moment, they don't care what you say.\n\n403\n00:15:01.200 --> 00:15:02.320\nBut when we've been together,\n\n404\n00:15:02.320 --> 00:15:05.520\nwe've been working hard together, those bonds are tight.\n\n405\n00:15:05.520 --> 00:15:07.440\nAnd you have credibility with your guys.\n\n406\n00:15:07.440 --> 00:15:10.640\nAnd I think maybe I learned more about that\n\n407\n00:15:10.640 --> 00:15:12.720\nfrom those teams than anything else.\n\n408\n00:15:12.720 --> 00:15:15.120\nHow hard you work, how those bonds form,\n\n409\n00:15:15.120 --> 00:15:16.600\nhow connected you are,\n\n410\n00:15:16.600 --> 00:15:18.760\nand how that serves you through all the big moments.\n\n411\n00:15:18.760 --> 00:15:22.520\nAnd now, David, that's 30 plus years ago.\n\n412\n00:15:22.520 --> 00:15:24.680\nAnd I see these guys now, you know,\n\n413\n00:15:24.680 --> 00:15:27.560\nthe teammates that we have, we're all really close.\n\n414\n00:15:27.560 --> 00:15:29.920\nAnd the conversation, just keep rolling.\n\n415\n00:15:29.920 --> 00:15:32.600\nLike we're in the locker room together a long time ago.\n\n416\n00:15:32.600 --> 00:15:35.160\nSo really special teams to be a part of.\n\n417\n00:15:35.160 --> 00:15:37.440\n- Yeah, I can only imagine that.\n\n418\n00:15:37.440 --> 00:15:40.600\nAnd, you know, I can't wait to get into your professional journey.\n\n419\n00:15:40.600 --> 00:15:43.680\nBut first, I want to take you back.\n\n420\n00:15:43.680 --> 00:15:45.920\nWhat's the story from your childhood\n\n421\n00:15:45.920 --> 00:15:48.600\nthat shaped the kind of leader you are today?\n\n422\n00:15:48.600 --> 00:15:50.560\n- Oh, I think so many.\n\n423\n00:15:50.560 --> 00:15:53.560\nYou know, my mom and dad, you know,\n\n424\n00:15:53.560 --> 00:15:55.400\nI have seven brothers and sisters.\n\n425\n00:15:55.400 --> 00:15:56.800\nWe're all one year apart.\n\n426\n00:15:56.800 --> 00:15:59.200\n- Oh my goodness.\n\n427\n00:15:59.200 --> 00:16:01.080\n- Our names all begin with Jay,\n\n428\n00:16:01.080 --> 00:16:05.760\nand it's Jim, Jane, Jennifer, Janine, Jill, John, Jason, Judd.\n\n429\n00:16:05.760 --> 00:16:08.560\nAnd, you know, my dad was a football coach forever.\n\n430\n00:16:08.560 --> 00:16:10.520\nAnd so we moved around a lot.\n\n431\n00:16:10.520 --> 00:16:12.400\nAnd, you know, talking about bonds formed.\n\n432\n00:16:12.400 --> 00:16:15.040\nI mean, our bonds were close as a family\n\n433\n00:16:15.040 --> 00:16:16.400\nbecause we moved around a lot\n\n434\n00:16:16.400 --> 00:16:19.480\nand you go to a new school or a new team and all of that.\n\n435\n00:16:19.480 --> 00:16:22.880\nAnd so I learned a lot about teamwork from them.\n\n436\n00:16:22.880 --> 00:16:26.160\nAnd, you know, the leadership that my mom and dad demonstrated,\n\n437\n00:16:26.160 --> 00:16:29.560\nthe examples they set, how hardworking they were,\n\n438\n00:16:29.560 --> 00:16:31.000\nhow generous they were.\n\n439\n00:16:31.000 --> 00:16:32.960\nWhen you reflect back as an adult,\n\n440\n00:16:32.960 --> 00:16:36.960\nyou realize there were probably were a lot of things going on\n\n441\n00:16:36.960 --> 00:16:38.920\nthat as a kid you never knew about.\n\n442\n00:16:38.920 --> 00:16:40.720\nIt was just like, yeah, it's all good.\n\n443\n00:16:40.720 --> 00:16:42.600\nAnd they always created that atmosphere.\n\n444\n00:16:42.600 --> 00:16:45.400\nAnd I always say this, and I think you probably agree with this.\n\n445\n00:16:45.400 --> 00:16:48.680\nYou know, the energy of the leader pervades the group, right?\n\n446\n00:16:48.680 --> 00:16:51.320\nIf the leader comes in and he's miserable all the time,\n\n447\n00:16:51.320 --> 00:16:52.640\nthe people feel that.\n\n448\n00:16:52.640 --> 00:16:55.040\nAnd if they have great energy and they're positive,\n\n449\n00:16:55.040 --> 00:16:57.440\nenthusiastic, everybody feels that too.\n\n450\n00:16:57.440 --> 00:16:59.400\nAnd that's the household I grew up in.\n\n451\n00:16:59.400 --> 00:17:03.560\nAnd, you know, we played more football, baseball,\n\n452\n00:17:03.560 --> 00:17:07.240\nbasketball, wiffle ball, beach rugby than any team\n\n453\n00:17:07.240 --> 00:17:10.240\nin the history of the world, you know?\n\n454\n00:17:10.240 --> 00:17:12.480\nThat's what our upbringing was all about.\n\n455\n00:17:12.480 --> 00:17:14.880\nAnd, you know, I wouldn't have traded it for anything.\n\n456\n00:17:14.880 --> 00:17:16.920\n- Yeah, I always call that the shadow leadership.\n\n457\n00:17:16.920 --> 00:17:20.040\nYou know, it's your parents cast that shadow\n\n458\n00:17:20.040 --> 00:17:24.040\nand it cascaded to all of you with that first name of Jay.\n\n459\n00:17:24.040 --> 00:17:25.520\nYou know, that's pretty impressive.\n\n460\n00:17:25.520 --> 00:17:27.720\nPressing how you rattle through all those.\n\n461\n00:17:27.720 --> 00:17:29.560\nI hope you don't forget one someday.\n\n462\n00:17:29.560 --> 00:17:30.800\nYou're getting real trouble.\n\n463\n00:17:30.800 --> 00:17:31.800\n(laughing)\n\n464\n00:17:31.800 --> 00:17:33.920\n- Now, when you were in college,\n\n465\n00:17:33.920 --> 00:17:36.240\nyou were the starting quarterback at Princeton\n\n466\n00:17:36.240 --> 00:17:38.480\nand then you transferred to Columbia\n\n467\n00:17:38.480 --> 00:17:41.200\nwhere your dad got the head coaching job.\n\n468\n00:17:41.200 --> 00:17:43.800\nYou know, what was the biggest lesson you learned\n\n469\n00:17:43.800 --> 00:17:45.320\nfrom that experience?\n\n470\n00:17:45.320 --> 00:17:46.840\n- Well, it was a hard decision.\n\n471\n00:17:46.840 --> 00:17:48.720\nYou know, I went to Princeton as a freshman\n\n472\n00:17:48.720 --> 00:17:49.680\nand I loved it.\n\n473\n00:17:49.680 --> 00:17:51.000\nI had a great experience there.\n\n474\n00:17:51.000 --> 00:17:52.640\nMy dad was coaching in the NFL.\n\n475\n00:17:52.640 --> 00:17:54.560\nHe was the running back coach with the Cleveland Browns\n\n476\n00:17:54.560 --> 00:17:56.480\nand he was at that point in his career\n\n477\n00:17:56.480 --> 00:17:58.480\nwhere he wanted to be a head coach again.\n\n478\n00:17:58.480 --> 00:18:01.600\nHe had been a head coach in college for a few years,\n\n479\n00:18:01.600 --> 00:18:02.440\nearly on.\n\n480\n00:18:02.440 --> 00:18:06.200\nAnd so my brother John was actually a receiver at Columbia\n\n481\n00:18:06.200 --> 00:18:08.280\nand my dad took the Columbia job.\n\n482\n00:18:08.280 --> 00:18:09.280\nAnd I don't know if you remember this,\n\n483\n00:18:09.280 --> 00:18:12.800\nbut Columbia was really bad in football for a long time.\n\n484\n00:18:12.800 --> 00:18:15.040\nThey were in the midst of a long losing streak.\n\n485\n00:18:15.040 --> 00:18:17.360\nAnd you know, my dad was just confident enough\n\n486\n00:18:17.360 --> 00:18:18.200\nto go in there and say,\n\n487\n00:18:18.200 --> 00:18:19.520\nhey, we're going to turn this around.\n\n488\n00:18:19.520 --> 00:18:22.840\nAnd my younger brother Judd was a really good running back\n\n489\n00:18:22.840 --> 00:18:25.680\nin Ohio and he was going to come to Princeton.\n\n490\n00:18:25.680 --> 00:18:27.600\nAnd so we all decided we're going to go there\n\n491\n00:18:27.600 --> 00:18:28.960\nand play for my dad.\n\n492\n00:18:28.960 --> 00:18:32.320\nAnd turns out my brother, John, broke his collarbone.\n\n493\n00:18:32.320 --> 00:18:34.280\nI couldn't play 'cause I transferred\n\n494\n00:18:34.280 --> 00:18:36.320\nand Judd played freshman football.\n\n495\n00:18:36.320 --> 00:18:37.440\nMy dad went in there.\n\n496\n00:18:37.440 --> 00:18:39.480\nThe mandate was make changes.\n\n497\n00:18:39.480 --> 00:18:41.000\nLet's make this a great program.\n\n498\n00:18:41.000 --> 00:18:42.680\nAnd all of a sudden he started making changes\n\n499\n00:18:42.680 --> 00:18:45.000\nand they didn't really like the changes he was making.\n\n500\n00:18:45.000 --> 00:18:47.520\nI mean, he was trying to clean everything up.\n\n501\n00:18:47.520 --> 00:18:50.960\nAnd so it ended up, he was only there for one year.\n\n502\n00:18:50.960 --> 00:18:53.240\nAnd so I transferred there and at the end of the season\n\n503\n00:18:53.240 --> 00:18:57.680\nwhere I didn't play, I transferred back to Princeton.\n\n504\n00:18:57.680 --> 00:19:01.000\nAnd so I think at the first time in my life,\n\n505\n00:19:01.000 --> 00:19:05.480\nI realized, huh, you know, not all things are really fair.\n\n506\n00:19:05.480 --> 00:19:07.560\nYou know, you can be well-intended\n\n507\n00:19:07.560 --> 00:19:08.960\nand try to do things the right way.\n\n508\n00:19:08.960 --> 00:19:11.520\nAnd sometimes, you know, you don't get the outcome\n\n509\n00:19:11.520 --> 00:19:13.840\nthat you want and, you know, I learned a lot.\n\n510\n00:19:13.840 --> 00:19:17.160\nAnd you know, it makes you grow up a little bit\n\n511\n00:19:17.160 --> 00:19:19.280\nand you adjust, you figure it out\n\n512\n00:19:19.280 --> 00:19:21.080\nand you figure what the next path is.\n\n513\n00:19:21.080 --> 00:19:23.120\nAnd really excited to go back to Princeton.\n\n514\n00:19:23.120 --> 00:19:24.840\nMy two brothers came with me.\n\n515\n00:19:24.840 --> 00:19:26.280\nWe ended up playing together at Princeton.\n\n516\n00:19:26.280 --> 00:19:28.280\nSo it was an amazing experience.\n\n517\n00:19:28.280 --> 00:19:29.840\n- That's great, and a great school too.\n\n518\n00:19:29.840 --> 00:19:32.920\nAnd you weren't drafted out of colleges, I understand it,\n\n519\n00:19:32.920 --> 00:19:35.560\nbut you made your way into the NFL.\n\n520\n00:19:35.560 --> 00:19:38.720\nAnd you spent most of your career as a backup quarterback.\n\n521\n00:19:38.720 --> 00:19:40.920\nWhat did you learn about leading in the background?\n\n522\n00:19:40.920 --> 00:19:42.840\nYou know, you weren't in the front.\n\n523\n00:19:42.840 --> 00:19:45.280\nYou were in the more of a supportive role,\n\n524\n00:19:45.280 --> 00:19:48.200\nready to chip in when it was time.\n\n525\n00:19:48.200 --> 00:19:51.240\nBut what did you learn in that backup role?\n\n526\n00:19:51.240 --> 00:19:52.840\n- Yeah, you know, I think the first thing is\n\n527\n00:19:52.840 --> 00:19:55.320\nyou have to be ready when you're called upon.\n\n528\n00:19:55.320 --> 00:19:57.720\nI mean, that was my job first and foremost.\n\n529\n00:19:57.720 --> 00:19:59.400\nI'm the backup quarterback of Treyach.\n\n530\n00:19:59.400 --> 00:20:00.280\nI mean, it's hurt.\n\n531\n00:20:00.280 --> 00:20:02.560\nYou got to be ready to go play and play well.\n\n532\n00:20:02.560 --> 00:20:04.680\nAnd the team can't skip a beat without you.\n\n533\n00:20:04.680 --> 00:20:06.520\nBut I always think that, you know,\n\n534\n00:20:06.520 --> 00:20:08.200\nthere's obvious leadership roles.\n\n535\n00:20:08.200 --> 00:20:10.760\nA head coach, a coordinator, the quarterback,\n\n536\n00:20:10.760 --> 00:20:12.800\nthe middle linebacker, all of that.\n\n537\n00:20:12.800 --> 00:20:15.760\nAnd it's critical for those people to embrace those roles.\n\n538\n00:20:15.760 --> 00:20:18.880\nBut I always feel like you can lead in your own way\n\n539\n00:20:18.880 --> 00:20:20.440\nfrom wherever you are.\n\n540\n00:20:20.440 --> 00:20:23.320\nAnd really, it's just having a positive impact,\n\n541\n00:20:23.320 --> 00:20:27.080\nwhether it's by example, an encouraging word, enthusiasm,\n\n542\n00:20:27.080 --> 00:20:29.320\njust your energy and all of that.\n\n543\n00:20:29.320 --> 00:20:31.240\nAnd so that's what I tried to do.\n\n544\n00:20:31.240 --> 00:20:34.280\nI just tried to be a really positive influence on the team,\n\n545\n00:20:34.280 --> 00:20:37.400\nbe a great teammate, be someone that when younger players\n\n546\n00:20:37.400 --> 00:20:40.400\ncome in, they can look to you and you can help them,\n\n547\n00:20:40.400 --> 00:20:41.680\nmaybe show them the way.\n\n548\n00:20:41.680 --> 00:20:44.720\nAnd, you know, one of the great dynamics in the NFL, David,\n\n549\n00:20:44.720 --> 00:20:47.800\nwas I'm so grateful for my experience.\n\n550\n00:20:47.800 --> 00:20:49.960\nI ended up playing 14 years.\n\n551\n00:20:49.960 --> 00:20:52.000\nAnd I reflect back on my rookie year.\n\n552\n00:20:52.000 --> 00:20:52.880\nYou said it.\n\n553\n00:20:52.880 --> 00:20:56.200\nI was the fledgling quarterback, college free agent,\n\n554\n00:20:56.200 --> 00:21:00.160\nsigned for $500, you know, I was the four string quarterback\n\n555\n00:21:00.160 --> 00:21:02.200\nmy first year trying to make it.\n\n556\n00:21:02.200 --> 00:21:05.920\nBut there were guys that had played 10, 15 years in the NFL\n\n557\n00:21:05.920 --> 00:21:08.640\nwho took me under their wing, Stan Brock,\n\n558\n00:21:08.640 --> 00:21:12.080\nstarting left tackle the New Orleans Saints for 12 years.\n\n559\n00:21:12.080 --> 00:21:14.440\nHey, kid, you wanna come to Thanksgiving dinner?\n\n560\n00:21:14.440 --> 00:21:17.720\nI'm living down in New Orleans by myself in some apartment.\n\n561\n00:21:17.720 --> 00:21:19.760\nAnd, you know, this guy, he's one of the best players\n\n562\n00:21:19.760 --> 00:21:21.840\non our team and he pulls you in and says,\n\n563\n00:21:21.840 --> 00:21:23.840\nhey, you know, you're part of this thing.\n\n564\n00:21:23.840 --> 00:21:26.840\nAnd, you know, I'll never forget those guys\n\n565\n00:21:26.840 --> 00:21:28.760\njust kind of showing me the way.\n\n566\n00:21:28.760 --> 00:21:31.200\nAnd then when you get on the other end of it, you know,\n\n567\n00:21:31.200 --> 00:21:33.960\nthat's your responsibility to help those other guys\n\n568\n00:21:33.960 --> 00:21:34.920\nshow them the way.\n\n569\n00:21:34.920 --> 00:21:37.440\nAnd I always encourage that in our players\n\n570\n00:21:37.440 --> 00:21:39.960\nto watch the older guys, listen to the older guys\n\n571\n00:21:39.960 --> 00:21:42.880\nand encourage the older guys to have a responsibility\n\n572\n00:21:42.880 --> 00:21:43.720\nof the younger guys.\n\n573\n00:21:43.720 --> 00:21:46.240\nSo I just feel really fortunate that way.\n\n574\n00:21:46.240 --> 00:21:48.160\nAnd you try to be a great teammate,\n\n575\n00:21:48.160 --> 00:21:51.480\nyou try to learn from people, and then when it's your turn,\n\n576\n00:21:51.480 --> 00:21:53.520\nyou know, you try to spread the knowledge\n\n577\n00:21:53.520 --> 00:21:56.080\nand just really fortunate that way.\n\n578\n00:21:56.080 --> 00:21:58.800\nIt became your turn every now and then.\n\n579\n00:21:58.800 --> 00:22:01.040\nTell us a story about your best game.\n\n580\n00:22:01.040 --> 00:22:05.120\nYeah, the best game was probably Thanksgiving 1994.\n\n581\n00:22:05.120 --> 00:22:07.000\nYou know, Troy Aikman got hurt\n\n582\n00:22:07.000 --> 00:22:10.040\nand then Rodney Pete was our backup and he got hurt too.\n\n583\n00:22:10.040 --> 00:22:13.040\nAnd we had played the Redskins the week before\n\n584\n00:22:13.040 --> 00:22:15.880\nand here come the Green Bay Packers on Thanksgiving\n\n585\n00:22:15.880 --> 00:22:16.800\nthree days later.\n\n586\n00:22:16.800 --> 00:22:18.560\nAnd we really have no other quarterbacks.\n\n587\n00:22:18.560 --> 00:22:20.720\nI'm the third quarterback and I'm going to play in the game.\n\n588\n00:22:20.720 --> 00:22:23.120\nAnd, you know, it's Brent Favre, it's Reggie White.\n\n589\n00:22:23.120 --> 00:22:25.280\nIt's this amazing team that they had.\n\n590\n00:22:25.280 --> 00:22:28.640\nAnd all through the 90s, we had these great battles with them.\n\n591\n00:22:28.640 --> 00:22:32.760\nAnd a lot of the games were played in Dallas and we beat them.\n\n592\n00:22:32.760 --> 00:22:35.400\nWe had a lot of success against them, but, you know,\n\n593\n00:22:35.400 --> 00:22:36.720\nthey were really good that year.\n\n594\n00:22:36.720 --> 00:22:38.480\nAnd, you know, all of a sudden, you know,\n\n595\n00:22:38.480 --> 00:22:40.280\nthis third string quarterback's playing.\n\n596\n00:22:40.280 --> 00:22:43.040\nAnd it was, it was an amazing game.\n\n597\n00:22:43.040 --> 00:22:46.000\nYou know, we talked about teamwork and teammates before,\n\n598\n00:22:46.000 --> 00:22:48.440\nyou know, early on in the game, it wasn't going great.\n\n599\n00:22:48.440 --> 00:22:51.960\nAnd, you know, the veteran guys, Michael Irv and Emmett Smith,\n\n600\n00:22:51.960 --> 00:22:53.720\nDarrell Johnston, all these guys,\n\n601\n00:22:53.720 --> 00:22:55.320\nthey really kind of hung with me.\n\n602\n00:22:55.320 --> 00:22:56.640\nAnd by the end of the first half,\n\n603\n00:22:56.640 --> 00:22:58.160\nwe started moving the ball a little bit\n\n604\n00:22:58.160 --> 00:22:59.880\nand then came out in the second half\n\n605\n00:22:59.880 --> 00:23:01.840\nand we just had a great day and we ended up beating them.\n\n606\n00:23:01.840 --> 00:23:03.840\nAnd, you know, certainly the most memorable game\n\n607\n00:23:03.840 --> 00:23:05.760\nthat I played in and the one where I had\n\n608\n00:23:05.760 --> 00:23:06.880\nthe most significant role.\n\n609\n00:23:06.880 --> 00:23:10.440\nBut my big takeaway is we had great leadership on that team\n\n610\n00:23:10.440 --> 00:23:12.240\nand there were so many great teammates\n\n611\n00:23:12.240 --> 00:23:14.080\nto make that thing happen.\n\n612\n00:23:14.080 --> 00:23:15.800\n- You know, and then after, you know,\n\n613\n00:23:15.800 --> 00:23:17.920\nyou said 12 years playing in the NFL,\n\n614\n00:23:17.920 --> 00:23:20.520\nyou transitioned into coaching.\n\n615\n00:23:20.520 --> 00:23:24.360\nAnd your first coaching job was at Miami\n\n616\n00:23:24.360 --> 00:23:27.040\nunder the head coach, Nick Saban.\n\n617\n00:23:27.040 --> 00:23:29.280\nWhat did he teach you about leadership?\n\n618\n00:23:29.280 --> 00:23:34.080\n- Oh, it was an amazing opportunity for me.\n\n619\n00:23:34.080 --> 00:23:36.400\nYou know, I finished my last year playing\n\n620\n00:23:36.400 --> 00:23:37.480\nthe last half of that year.\n\n621\n00:23:37.480 --> 00:23:40.720\nI was a backup quarterback for the Dolphins.\n\n622\n00:23:40.720 --> 00:23:43.840\nAnd then Nick Saban was hired after that season\n\n623\n00:23:43.840 --> 00:23:46.200\nand I got the opportunity to meet with him\n\n624\n00:23:46.200 --> 00:23:47.960\nand interview and end up hiring me.\n\n625\n00:23:47.960 --> 00:23:50.520\nAnd, you know, I reflect back on that.\n\n626\n00:23:50.520 --> 00:23:52.760\nYou know, I had played 14 years in the NFL\n\n627\n00:23:52.760 --> 00:23:54.120\nand you learn a lot.\n\n628\n00:23:54.120 --> 00:23:56.920\nYou've been around great teams, great players, great coaches.\n\n629\n00:23:56.920 --> 00:23:59.120\nAnd you feel like you know something,\n\n630\n00:23:59.120 --> 00:24:01.280\nbut then you get in and you're on the other side.\n\n631\n00:24:01.280 --> 00:24:02.600\nNow you're a coach.\n\n632\n00:24:02.600 --> 00:24:05.000\nYou're not just a quarterback or a player\n\n633\n00:24:05.000 --> 00:24:06.560\nthrowing his ideas out.\n\n634\n00:24:06.560 --> 00:24:08.240\nYou know, now you have a responsibility.\n\n635\n00:24:08.240 --> 00:24:09.360\nYou're coaching the quarterback.\n\n636\n00:24:09.360 --> 00:24:11.040\nYou're on the other side of the desk.\n\n637\n00:24:11.040 --> 00:24:13.640\nAnd to have the opportunity to be with Nick,\n\n638\n00:24:13.640 --> 00:24:15.640\nyou know, he sat at the head of the table,\n\n639\n00:24:15.640 --> 00:24:17.080\nthe head of the conference table\n\n640\n00:24:17.080 --> 00:24:19.560\nin our staff rooms and I sat right next to him.\n\n641\n00:24:19.560 --> 00:24:22.640\nAnd the funny story is I got hired a little bit later\n\n642\n00:24:22.640 --> 00:24:24.960\nthan everybody else and we had a meeting\n\n643\n00:24:24.960 --> 00:24:28.560\nat 730 in the morning and there's 20, 25 coaches there\n\n644\n00:24:28.560 --> 00:24:32.080\nand we walk in and there's this long conference table.\n\n645\n00:24:32.080 --> 00:24:33.720\nAnd I'm like, I'm going down there.\n\n646\n00:24:33.720 --> 00:24:37.000\nI'm going down to the end and I sat in the corner seat\n\n647\n00:24:37.000 --> 00:24:39.600\nthinking that he was gonna be at the head of the table.\n\n648\n00:24:39.600 --> 00:24:42.080\nAnd I was just gonna kind of ease myself into it.\n\n649\n00:24:42.080 --> 00:24:44.720\nHe comes into the office, into the conference room\n\n650\n00:24:44.720 --> 00:24:47.640\nfrom his office the other way and sits right next to me.\n\n651\n00:24:47.640 --> 00:24:50.420\nI'm like, oh God, I'm right next to the big guy.\n\n652\n00:24:50.420 --> 00:24:52.280\n(laughing)\n\n653\n00:24:52.280 --> 00:24:54.600\nBut it was an amazing vantage point\n\n654\n00:24:54.600 --> 00:24:58.520\njust to see him run a program and no stone unturned.\n\n655\n00:24:58.520 --> 00:25:01.480\nAnd, you know, we talked at the outset about vision,\n\n656\n00:25:01.480 --> 00:25:02.880\nyou know, the vision for the team\n\n657\n00:25:02.880 --> 00:25:06.640\nand he was so clean and clear about articulating that.\n\n658\n00:25:06.640 --> 00:25:08.720\nBut his greatness, people ask me this all the time,\n\n659\n00:25:08.720 --> 00:25:09.960\nwhat makes him great?\n\n660\n00:25:09.960 --> 00:25:13.160\nHe was relentless, relentless\n\n661\n00:25:13.160 --> 00:25:16.760\nin holding everybody accountable to what the vision was.\n\n662\n00:25:16.760 --> 00:25:19.520\nTo the point of, hey, we're gonna do everything the right way.\n\n663\n00:25:19.520 --> 00:25:22.560\nHow we dress for practice, everybody on time,\n\n664\n00:25:22.560 --> 00:25:25.080\nhow we do drills, how you finish drills, you know,\n\n665\n00:25:25.080 --> 00:25:28.600\nhow we have a top 30 visit of college players,\n\n666\n00:25:28.600 --> 00:25:31.200\neligible for the draft, how we do the dinner,\n\n667\n00:25:31.200 --> 00:25:34.080\nhow we do the buffet lines, how we do the, you know,\n\n668\n00:25:34.080 --> 00:25:37.640\nI mean, it was just amazing how detail oriented he was\n\n669\n00:25:37.640 --> 00:25:40.000\non everything and he was relentless.\n\n670\n00:25:40.000 --> 00:25:43.160\nAnd it was a great lesson for me when I became a head coach.\n\n671\n00:25:43.160 --> 00:25:44.960\nYou can speak all you want about the vision.\n\n672\n00:25:44.960 --> 00:25:46.000\nIt doesn't matter.\n\n673\n00:25:46.000 --> 00:25:47.240\nYou gotta make it come alive.\n\n674\n00:25:47.240 --> 00:25:49.520\nAnd he's done an amazing job of doing that.\n\n675\n00:25:49.520 --> 00:25:52.960\n- And you got the call in 2007 from the Cowboys\n\n676\n00:25:52.960 --> 00:25:54.840\nto become their offensive coordinator.\n\n677\n00:25:54.840 --> 00:25:56.920\nAnd you had some immediate success\n\n678\n00:25:56.920 --> 00:26:01.440\nand you started getting head coaching offers.\n\n679\n00:26:01.440 --> 00:26:05.480\nI remember watching on television, reading about it, you know,\n\n680\n00:26:05.480 --> 00:26:06.960\nbut you didn't take them.\n\n681\n00:26:06.960 --> 00:26:11.360\nYou know, why'd you stay as an assistant?\n\n682\n00:26:11.360 --> 00:26:14.240\n- Well, you know, you've had those decisions too.\n\n683\n00:26:14.240 --> 00:26:16.880\nAnd you know, you try to make decisions intellectually.\n\n684\n00:26:16.880 --> 00:26:19.120\nYou try to make them with your gut and your heart\n\n685\n00:26:19.120 --> 00:26:20.920\nand what feels right.\n\n686\n00:26:20.920 --> 00:26:23.760\nI'd been a quarterback coach in Miami for two years.\n\n687\n00:26:23.760 --> 00:26:25.800\nI came to Dallas as the offensive coordinator.\n\n688\n00:26:25.800 --> 00:26:27.000\nWe had a great year.\n\n689\n00:26:27.000 --> 00:26:29.400\nAnd then I had opportunities to go be a head coach.\n\n690\n00:26:29.400 --> 00:26:31.200\nI'd been coaching for three years.\n\n691\n00:26:31.200 --> 00:26:33.360\nI felt like I just started, you know,\n\n692\n00:26:33.360 --> 00:26:35.560\nand I knew I had a lot to learn.\n\n693\n00:26:35.560 --> 00:26:38.520\nI felt like we had a little unfinished business in Dallas.\n\n694\n00:26:38.520 --> 00:26:40.760\nAnd the opportunities were amazing.\n\n695\n00:26:40.760 --> 00:26:43.440\nIt was to be Baltimore's head coach\n\n696\n00:26:43.440 --> 00:26:45.160\nor to be Atlanta's head coach.\n\n697\n00:26:45.160 --> 00:26:48.280\nAmazing organizations, great owners, all of that.\n\n698\n00:26:48.280 --> 00:26:51.120\nBut, you know, at the end of it, my heart and my gut told me,\n\n699\n00:26:51.120 --> 00:26:53.960\n\"Hey, stay here, learn and grow as much as you can.\"\n\n700\n00:26:53.960 --> 00:26:56.460\nAnd, you know, you'll look back on those and say,\n\n701\n00:26:56.460 --> 00:26:58.240\n\"What if?\" and all of that.\n\n702\n00:26:58.240 --> 00:27:01.320\nBut so fortunate to have the path that I've taken,\n\n703\n00:27:01.320 --> 00:27:03.240\neventually became the head coach of the Cowboys.\n\n704\n00:27:03.240 --> 00:27:05.160\nAnd that was an amazing experience for me.\n\n705\n00:27:05.160 --> 00:27:07.280\n- You know, there's a phrase I've heard you use,\n\n706\n00:27:07.280 --> 00:27:08.960\nlead with performance.\n\n707\n00:27:08.960 --> 00:27:10.800\nSay more about that idea.\n\n708\n00:27:10.800 --> 00:27:14.480\n- Yeah. Well, again, you know that better than I do.\n\n709\n00:27:14.480 --> 00:27:16.920\nYou know, a great example of that,\n\n710\n00:27:16.920 --> 00:27:18.520\nto me was always Troy Aikman.\n\n711\n00:27:18.520 --> 00:27:20.760\nAnd, you know, I mentioned that we have this leadership forum.\n\n712\n00:27:20.760 --> 00:27:24.200\nAnd one of my favorite stories was, you know,\n\n713\n00:27:24.200 --> 00:27:25.320\nthis guy named Pete Carrille.\n\n714\n00:27:25.320 --> 00:27:27.720\nI don't know if you know, Coach Carrille, but yeah.\n\n715\n00:27:27.720 --> 00:27:30.200\nYou know, he was the coach of Princeton for 29 years.\n\n716\n00:27:30.200 --> 00:27:33.200\nAnd people talk about the Princeton basketball offense.\n\n717\n00:27:33.200 --> 00:27:34.760\nHe's the guy that started all that.\n\n718\n00:27:34.760 --> 00:27:37.200\nAnd he became a great friend of mine.\n\n719\n00:27:37.200 --> 00:27:41.440\nAnd he used to come to our leadership forum.\n\n720\n00:27:41.440 --> 00:27:44.120\nAnd we have a panel and he was on the panel.\n\n721\n00:27:44.120 --> 00:27:46.880\nTroy Aikman was on the panel, a couple other people.\n\n722\n00:27:46.880 --> 00:27:48.960\nAnd people were talking about leadership\n\n723\n00:27:48.960 --> 00:27:51.120\nand why it's important and this, that, and the other thing.\n\n724\n00:27:51.120 --> 00:27:53.360\nAnd I'll never forget, you know,\n\n725\n00:27:53.360 --> 00:27:55.720\nhe kind of listened and listened and listened.\n\n726\n00:27:55.720 --> 00:27:57.000\nAnd finally, he said something like,\n\n727\n00:27:57.000 --> 00:27:58.560\n\"Hey, is everybody done?\n\n728\n00:27:58.560 --> 00:28:00.120\nEverybody done here?\"\n\n729\n00:28:00.120 --> 00:28:02.400\nAnd we said, \"Yeah, Coach, what do you have to say?\"\n\n730\n00:28:02.400 --> 00:28:05.200\nAnd he said, \"Hey Aikman, Aikman,\n\n731\n00:28:05.200 --> 00:28:08.120\nyou were pretty good throwing that ball, not out loud.\n\n732\n00:28:08.120 --> 00:28:10.720\nYou were pretty good throwing it right here, weren't you?\"\n\n733\n00:28:10.720 --> 00:28:13.480\nAnd he said, \"Yeah, you know, I was pretty accurate, Coach.\"\n\n734\n00:28:13.480 --> 00:28:16.760\nHe said, \"That kind of helped your leadership, didn't it?\"\n\n735\n00:28:16.760 --> 00:28:20.080\nYou know, and he just, he made an amazing point.\n\n736\n00:28:20.080 --> 00:28:22.080\nYou know, just this idea that, again,\n\n737\n00:28:22.080 --> 00:28:26.080\nwe can talk all we want about what we want it to be,\n\n738\n00:28:26.080 --> 00:28:28.600\nbut you have to perform, performance matters.\n\n739\n00:28:28.600 --> 00:28:30.600\nAnd that can certainly enhance your leadership\n\n740\n00:28:30.600 --> 00:28:32.600\nand give your leadership credibility.\n\n741\n00:28:32.600 --> 00:28:35.960\nAnd I don't know how much you're following the college\n\n742\n00:28:35.960 --> 00:28:39.560\nfootball stuff, but there's a great story up in Indiana\n\n743\n00:28:39.560 --> 00:28:42.600\nwith Kurt Signetty, the head coach there, incredible.\n\n744\n00:28:42.600 --> 00:28:45.160\nYeah, I had a chance to do one of his games this year,\n\n745\n00:28:45.160 --> 00:28:48.240\nand we're talking in the production meeting before,\n\n746\n00:28:48.240 --> 00:28:50.240\nand, you know, I'm in there trying to learn.\n\n747\n00:28:50.240 --> 00:28:52.520\nI'm trying to learn as a coach from him.\n\n748\n00:28:52.520 --> 00:28:54.160\nThis guy has had so much success.\n\n749\n00:28:54.160 --> 00:28:55.880\nAnd, you know, he's talking about,\n\n750\n00:28:55.880 --> 00:29:00.240\nhe has all the lingo and the sayings and all of this.\n\n751\n00:29:00.240 --> 00:29:02.880\nAnd I said, coach, you know, I want to interrupt you\n\n752\n00:29:02.880 --> 00:29:05.000\nfor a second, you know, I hear all that,\n\n753\n00:29:05.000 --> 00:29:08.400\nbut I hear all that from a hundred other coaches too,\n\n754\n00:29:08.400 --> 00:29:10.120\nabout how you're going to be tough and physical\n\n755\n00:29:10.120 --> 00:29:12.120\nand relentless, and you're going to play this way\n\n756\n00:29:12.120 --> 00:29:13.120\nand all that.\n\n757\n00:29:13.120 --> 00:29:16.360\nI said, the difference for me is you guys do it.\n\n758\n00:29:16.360 --> 00:29:17.440\nYou guys do it.\n\n759\n00:29:17.440 --> 00:29:19.120\nThis is how you play.\n\n760\n00:29:19.120 --> 00:29:20.760\nThis is how you play week after week\n\n761\n00:29:20.760 --> 00:29:22.800\non offense, defense, kicking game.\n\n762\n00:29:22.800 --> 00:29:24.400\nYou make it come alive.\n\n763\n00:29:24.400 --> 00:29:26.720\nAnd, you know, you talk about lead with performance,\n\n764\n00:29:26.720 --> 00:29:28.400\nthey perform.\n\n765\n00:29:28.400 --> 00:29:30.600\nAnd, you know, I said, how do you get that done?\n\n766\n00:29:30.600 --> 00:29:34.120\nAnd he said, we just make sure we get it done, coach, you know,\n\n767\n00:29:34.120 --> 00:29:36.440\nand just holding everybody accountable to it,\n\n768\n00:29:36.440 --> 00:29:39.560\nhimself first, his coaches and all his players.\n\n769\n00:29:39.560 --> 00:29:42.920\nAnd you can tell they have a great multi-tiered leadership.\n\n770\n00:29:42.920 --> 00:29:45.520\nThey empower their leaders throughout the organization\n\n771\n00:29:45.520 --> 00:29:46.640\nand everybody buys in.\n\n772\n00:29:46.640 --> 00:29:48.280\nSo, ultimately, that's what matters.\n\n773\n00:29:48.280 --> 00:29:49.120\nYou have to execute.\n\n774\n00:29:49.120 --> 00:29:50.560\nIf you don't execute in business,\n\n775\n00:29:50.560 --> 00:29:52.000\nyou're out of business, right?\n\n776\n00:29:52.000 --> 00:29:53.720\nAnd if you don't execute in football,\n\n777\n00:29:53.720 --> 00:29:55.280\nyou're not going to be there very long.\n\n778\n00:29:55.280 --> 00:29:58.880\nYou know, a vision without execution always, you know,\n\n779\n00:29:58.880 --> 00:30:00.200\nit's nothing, okay?\n\n780\n00:30:00.200 --> 00:30:03.960\nYou know, how do you drive an execution mindset\n\n781\n00:30:03.960 --> 00:30:07.760\ninto your team or how would you recommend doing it\n\n782\n00:30:07.760 --> 00:30:09.320\nin a business?\n\n783\n00:30:09.320 --> 00:30:13.080\n- You know, I think for me, you have to be crystal clears\n\n784\n00:30:13.080 --> 00:30:14.920\nabout what the expectations are\n\n785\n00:30:14.920 --> 00:30:16.660\nand what the jobs are, right?\n\n786\n00:30:16.660 --> 00:30:19.160\nThis is your job and we got to hold you accountable to it.\n\n787\n00:30:19.160 --> 00:30:22.640\nAnd I think if you can get everybody understanding\n\n788\n00:30:22.640 --> 00:30:24.720\nthat the accountability piece,\n\n789\n00:30:24.720 --> 00:30:27.320\nwe used to always say good teams have a head coach\n\n790\n00:30:27.320 --> 00:30:29.000\nwho hold everybody accountable.\n\n791\n00:30:29.000 --> 00:30:32.640\nThe great teams, the championship teams have the head coach,\n\n792\n00:30:32.640 --> 00:30:35.760\nthe coaching staff, the support staff, the players,\n\n793\n00:30:35.760 --> 00:30:37.920\nand everybody else connected with the team,\n\n794\n00:30:37.920 --> 00:30:40.520\nthey hold themselves and each other accountable.\n\n795\n00:30:40.520 --> 00:30:42.680\nAnd so that's an important piece of it.\n\n796\n00:30:42.680 --> 00:30:44.720\nIf you can get everybody to buy in\n\n797\n00:30:44.720 --> 00:30:47.600\nto understand how important executing is,\n\n798\n00:30:47.600 --> 00:30:49.480\ndoing your job, all of that,\n\n799\n00:30:49.480 --> 00:30:52.000\nall with the understanding that we're not perfect,\n\n800\n00:30:52.000 --> 00:30:54.040\nwe're going to screw up all the time.\n\n801\n00:30:54.040 --> 00:30:56.560\nI mean, I can't tell you the number of mistakes I've made\n\n802\n00:30:56.560 --> 00:30:58.200\nand the best players have ever been around,\n\n803\n00:30:58.200 --> 00:31:01.120\nthe best coaches, but then the willingness to recognize\n\n804\n00:31:01.120 --> 00:31:03.680\nit be objective, take accountability for it,\n\n805\n00:31:03.680 --> 00:31:05.280\nlearn from it and move forward.\n\n806\n00:31:05.280 --> 00:31:07.320\nAnd if you can create that culture,\n\n807\n00:31:07.320 --> 00:31:09.480\nI think you have your best chance to succeed.\n\n808\n00:31:09.480 --> 00:31:11.720\n- As you mentioned earlier, you had the great privilege\n\n809\n00:31:11.720 --> 00:31:16.520\nof coaching the Dallas Cowboys, the America's team.\n\n810\n00:31:16.520 --> 00:31:19.040\nWhat was it like taking the mantle\n\n811\n00:31:19.040 --> 00:31:22.960\nand leading such an iconic franchise?\n\n812\n00:31:22.960 --> 00:31:25.800\n- I mean, they've obviously had their problems recently,\n\n813\n00:31:25.800 --> 00:31:29.480\nbut over the recent years, but back then,\n\n814\n00:31:29.480 --> 00:31:33.280\nI mean, you were, it's like taking over the Yankees.\n\n815\n00:31:33.280 --> 00:31:35.720\n- Well, no doubt, it's one of those friends,\n\n816\n00:31:35.720 --> 00:31:36.840\nyou mentioned the Yankees.\n\n817\n00:31:36.840 --> 00:31:39.000\nI always used to say it's the Dallas Cowboys,\n\n818\n00:31:39.000 --> 00:31:41.160\nNew York Yankees, Manchester United.\n\n819\n00:31:41.160 --> 00:31:43.480\nThese are international brands.\n\n820\n00:31:43.480 --> 00:31:45.960\nAnd you have a choice there.\n\n821\n00:31:45.960 --> 00:31:48.840\nYou can turn away from the history and tradition,\n\n822\n00:31:48.840 --> 00:31:50.080\nor you can embrace it.\n\n823\n00:31:50.080 --> 00:31:52.680\nAnd I used to always tell our guys the standards are high.\n\n824\n00:31:52.680 --> 00:31:56.080\nIt's the NFL's, the Dallas Cowboys, the greatest coaches.\n\n825\n00:31:56.080 --> 00:31:57.920\nThink about the guys who coached there.\n\n826\n00:31:57.920 --> 00:32:00.560\nTom Landry, one of the greatest coaches ever, right?\n\n827\n00:32:00.560 --> 00:32:02.760\nAll the great, amazing assistant coaches,\n\n828\n00:32:02.760 --> 00:32:03.760\nthe greatest players.\n\n829\n00:32:03.760 --> 00:32:06.880\nLook at all the Hall of Fame players at every position.\n\n830\n00:32:06.880 --> 00:32:09.600\nSo you can run away from those standards,\n\n831\n00:32:09.600 --> 00:32:11.200\nor you can embrace them.\n\n832\n00:32:11.200 --> 00:32:13.240\nAnd it's not living in the past.\n\n833\n00:32:13.240 --> 00:32:15.120\nIt's just understanding that this is where we are.\n\n834\n00:32:15.120 --> 00:32:17.240\nThese are what the expectations are.\n\n835\n00:32:17.240 --> 00:32:19.920\nAnd really it's your expectations for yourself\n\n836\n00:32:19.920 --> 00:32:21.840\nand the approach that you take.\n\n837\n00:32:21.840 --> 00:32:24.240\nAnd you mentioned performance.\n\n838\n00:32:24.240 --> 00:32:26.680\nTake an accountability for your performance.\n\n839\n00:32:26.680 --> 00:32:28.680\nSo to me, it was always a privilege.\n\n840\n00:32:28.680 --> 00:32:32.080\nWe used to have a touchstone as players go out to practice.\n\n841\n00:32:32.080 --> 00:32:33.880\nAnd we used to ask everybody to hit it.\n\n842\n00:32:33.880 --> 00:32:37.680\nYou say, it's a privilege, not a right to play coach\n\n843\n00:32:37.680 --> 00:32:39.560\nand work for the Dallas Cowboys.\n\n844\n00:32:39.560 --> 00:32:41.080\nAnd if you treat it as such,\n\n845\n00:32:41.080 --> 00:32:42.960\nI think your actions will follow.\n\n846\n00:32:42.960 --> 00:32:44.080\nYou'll prepare the right way.\n\n847\n00:32:44.080 --> 00:32:45.720\nYou'll put your best foot forward.\n\n848\n00:32:45.720 --> 00:32:48.600\nAnd then really the results will take care of themselves.\n\n849\n00:32:48.600 --> 00:32:53.040\nBut as the leader, you are the new sheriff, okay?\n\n850\n00:32:53.040 --> 00:32:55.440\nYou're now the head coach.\n\n851\n00:32:55.440 --> 00:32:59.440\nHow did you go about developing your vision?\n\n852\n00:32:59.440 --> 00:33:02.440\nAnd how did you communicate it to the team?\n\n853\n00:33:02.440 --> 00:33:03.920\n- You know, like we talked,\n\n854\n00:33:03.920 --> 00:33:08.320\nI was so fortunate to be a part of some amazing teams.\n\n855\n00:33:08.320 --> 00:33:10.400\nSo I felt like I know what it looked like.\n\n856\n00:33:10.400 --> 00:33:11.840\nI know what it felt like.\n\n857\n00:33:11.840 --> 00:33:13.520\nAnd again, you're not living in the past.\n\n858\n00:33:13.520 --> 00:33:16.160\nThis is the group of players and coaches we have now.\n\n859\n00:33:16.160 --> 00:33:18.080\nBut you can lean on, boy,\n\n860\n00:33:18.080 --> 00:33:19.600\nthis is what greatness looks like.\n\n861\n00:33:19.600 --> 00:33:22.000\nI saw Michael Irvin practice.\n\n862\n00:33:22.000 --> 00:33:24.520\nI saw Troy Aikman practice or Darren Woodson,\n\n863\n00:33:24.520 --> 00:33:26.400\nor, you know, you picked the guy.\n\n864\n00:33:26.400 --> 00:33:29.800\nAnd the level that they practiced and prepared at it,\n\n865\n00:33:29.800 --> 00:33:32.040\nhow they competed and how important it was\n\n866\n00:33:32.040 --> 00:33:33.760\nand the sacrifices they made.\n\n867\n00:33:33.760 --> 00:33:36.600\nSo you try to convey that in a way to the group.\n\n868\n00:33:36.600 --> 00:33:38.480\nAnd you're certainly trying to live that, you know,\n\n869\n00:33:38.480 --> 00:33:41.480\nthe example you set for everybody and what you do.\n\n870\n00:33:41.480 --> 00:33:43.920\nAnd you try to empower leaders\n\n871\n00:33:43.920 --> 00:33:46.320\nto take ownership of the team and all that.\n\n872\n00:33:46.320 --> 00:33:48.160\nYou know, the one of the challenges is,\n\n873\n00:33:48.160 --> 00:33:50.200\nyou mentioned it's so high profile.\n\n874\n00:33:50.200 --> 00:33:51.720\nThere's a lot of scrutiny.\n\n875\n00:33:51.720 --> 00:33:54.120\nSo, you know, there's a big emphasis on focusing\n\n876\n00:33:54.120 --> 00:33:55.960\non what we need to do.\n\n877\n00:33:55.960 --> 00:33:58.400\n'Cause it's easy to get caught up in the other stuff.\n\n878\n00:33:58.400 --> 00:34:00.360\nWhen you win, everybody inflates it.\n\n879\n00:34:00.360 --> 00:34:02.840\nWhen you lose, everybody piles on.\n\n880\n00:34:02.840 --> 00:34:05.320\nSo how do we kind of lock in,\n\n881\n00:34:05.320 --> 00:34:07.720\nfocus on what we need to do each and every day\n\n882\n00:34:07.720 --> 00:34:08.880\nto be our best?\n\n883\n00:34:08.880 --> 00:34:11.240\nThat might be the biggest challenge of all of it.\n\n884\n00:34:11.240 --> 00:34:12.680\nAnd I used to always tell our guys,\n\n885\n00:34:12.680 --> 00:34:16.720\nwhat's us as players and coaches, not contribute to the noise.\n\n886\n00:34:16.720 --> 00:34:18.640\nLet's make sure that we stay focused\n\n887\n00:34:18.640 --> 00:34:20.640\non what we need to do to be our best.\n\n888\n00:34:20.640 --> 00:34:22.520\nThere's going to be a lot of people saying a lot of stuff\n\n889\n00:34:22.520 --> 00:34:24.200\nabout us, good, bad or indifferent.\n\n890\n00:34:24.200 --> 00:34:26.520\nLet's lock in on what we need to do each day.\n\n891\n00:34:26.520 --> 00:34:28.040\nAnd I think that was a big challenge\n\n892\n00:34:28.040 --> 00:34:31.200\nwhen you're in such a high profile situation.\n\n893\n00:34:31.200 --> 00:34:33.440\n- Hello friends, just reminding you to stay tuned\n\n894\n00:34:33.440 --> 00:34:35.120\nto the very end of the episode.\n\n895\n00:34:35.120 --> 00:34:37.320\nDavid and I are going to debrief the conversation\n\n896\n00:34:37.320 --> 00:34:40.440\nthat he has with Jason and give you some real practical tools\n\n897\n00:34:40.440 --> 00:34:43.080\nthat you can walk away and apply right away\n\n898\n00:34:43.080 --> 00:34:45.120\nto your leadership and to your life.\n\n899\n00:34:45.120 --> 00:34:47.720\nSo stay tuned to the very end of the episode\n\n900\n00:34:47.720 --> 00:34:50.680\nand enjoy the rest of the conversation with Jason Garrett.\n\n901\n00:34:50.680 --> 00:34:54.080\n- You know, when I always stepped into a new situation,\n\n902\n00:34:54.080 --> 00:34:58.600\nI felt it was my, the number one job was to define reality\n\n903\n00:34:58.600 --> 00:35:00.360\nfor the team and then give people the hope\n\n904\n00:35:00.360 --> 00:35:01.760\nthat you could actually achieve it.\n\n905\n00:35:01.760 --> 00:35:04.760\nWhat did you see as your number one task as a leader?\n\n906\n00:35:04.760 --> 00:35:07.800\n- Yeah, at the end of it, the bottom line is you have to win,\n\n907\n00:35:07.800 --> 00:35:11.600\nyou know, and so I used to always,\n\n908\n00:35:11.600 --> 00:35:13.560\nthe first five minutes of our first meeting\n\n909\n00:35:13.560 --> 00:35:16.040\nand training camp was the guys, the goal is this,\n\n910\n00:35:16.040 --> 00:35:18.880\nstanding on a platform the first week of February,\n\n911\n00:35:18.880 --> 00:35:20.640\nholding the trophy over our head\n\n912\n00:35:20.640 --> 00:35:23.240\nwith streamers coming down and confetti all over the place\n\n913\n00:35:23.240 --> 00:35:26.160\nand having these grins on our faces and all of that.\n\n914\n00:35:26.160 --> 00:35:28.360\nOkay, so put that in our deep recesses of our mind.\n\n915\n00:35:28.360 --> 00:35:29.680\nThat's where we're going.\n\n916\n00:35:29.680 --> 00:35:31.320\nOkay, but here's how we get there.\n\n917\n00:35:31.320 --> 00:35:34.600\nAnd so, you know, you're pulling back into today.\n\n918\n00:35:34.600 --> 00:35:37.240\nWhat do we need to do today to be great?\n\n919\n00:35:37.240 --> 00:35:40.080\nAnd then show them that you have a path forward\n\n920\n00:35:40.080 --> 00:35:41.360\nto achieve that.\n\n921\n00:35:41.360 --> 00:35:43.240\nAnd it's hard to do, right?\n\n922\n00:35:43.240 --> 00:35:44.080\nIt's hard to do.\n\n923\n00:35:44.080 --> 00:35:45.600\nI mean, there's one team every year.\n\n924\n00:35:45.600 --> 00:35:48.880\nThere's 31 teams that are disappointed, right?\n\n925\n00:35:48.880 --> 00:35:50.920\nAnd this goes at year after year after year.\n\n926\n00:35:50.920 --> 00:35:53.200\nLike I said, to feel fortunate to be a part\n\n927\n00:35:53.200 --> 00:35:56.240\nof four of these teams that went to this game.\n\n928\n00:35:56.240 --> 00:35:57.880\nBut, you know, I think you start there,\n\n929\n00:35:57.880 --> 00:35:59.480\nbut then you get everybody locked in\n\n930\n00:35:59.480 --> 00:36:03.560\nand you hear guys like Coach Saban talk about the process.\n\n931\n00:36:03.560 --> 00:36:04.840\nYou know, Bill Walsh's book,\n\n932\n00:36:04.840 --> 00:36:07.400\nThe Scoreboard will take care of itself.\n\n933\n00:36:07.400 --> 00:36:10.280\nJohn Wooden never talked about winning, you know?\n\n934\n00:36:10.280 --> 00:36:13.080\nSo you got to get everybody back into the mode of,\n\n935\n00:36:13.080 --> 00:36:15.040\nwe're going to get the right people together.\n\n936\n00:36:15.040 --> 00:36:16.640\nWe're going to be relentless in doing things\n\n937\n00:36:16.640 --> 00:36:18.200\nthe right way each and every day.\n\n938\n00:36:18.200 --> 00:36:20.760\nAnd then ultimately, the results will take care of themselves.\n\n939\n00:36:20.760 --> 00:36:22.720\nThe results are real.\n\n940\n00:36:22.720 --> 00:36:24.840\nIf we don't win, we're not going to be here.\n\n941\n00:36:24.840 --> 00:36:26.800\nIf you're not productive, you're not going to be here.\n\n942\n00:36:26.800 --> 00:36:29.560\nBut the best way to win and be productive\n\n943\n00:36:29.560 --> 00:36:32.120\nis if we approach it the right way each and every day\n\n944\n00:36:32.120 --> 00:36:33.520\nand relentless in our pursuits.\n\n945\n00:36:33.520 --> 00:36:35.680\nAnd I think that's what you try to convey to everybody.\n\n946\n00:36:35.680 --> 00:36:37.960\n- You know, I've talked to a lot of great leaders\n\n947\n00:36:37.960 --> 00:36:39.440\nand visited a lot of great companies.\n\n948\n00:36:39.440 --> 00:36:42.240\nAnd they take the time to really articulate\n\n949\n00:36:42.240 --> 00:36:44.320\nthe cultural behaviors that they think\n\n950\n00:36:44.320 --> 00:36:45.720\nare going to lead you to the victory,\n\n951\n00:36:45.720 --> 00:36:47.680\nto get to that winning point.\n\n952\n00:36:47.680 --> 00:36:50.120\nIs that something you do in football as well?\n\n953\n00:36:50.120 --> 00:36:51.520\nDo you have four or five things?\n\n954\n00:36:51.520 --> 00:36:52.600\nYou say, this is it?\n\n955\n00:36:52.600 --> 00:36:57.600\nAnd, you know, and if so, how do you communicate them\n\n956\n00:36:57.600 --> 00:37:00.840\nand then keep them front and center for the team?\n\n957\n00:37:00.840 --> 00:37:03.280\n- You know, one of the things that we always try to do\n\n958\n00:37:03.280 --> 00:37:05.720\nis we had a foundational word.\n\n959\n00:37:05.720 --> 00:37:09.240\nAnd the word that we always talked about in Dallas\n\n960\n00:37:09.240 --> 00:37:12.440\nand really it's something that I think is critical\n\n961\n00:37:12.440 --> 00:37:14.760\nin any organization is the word fight.\n\n962\n00:37:14.760 --> 00:37:17.360\nYou know, when players and coaches and staff members\n\n963\n00:37:17.360 --> 00:37:19.920\ngot to training camp, we always had a fight hoodie\n\n964\n00:37:19.920 --> 00:37:23.040\nlying on their bed and guys would wear it around.\n\n965\n00:37:23.040 --> 00:37:24.960\nSimple word, fight across your chest.\n\n966\n00:37:24.960 --> 00:37:27.320\nAnd then we talked about what that means.\n\n967\n00:37:27.320 --> 00:37:28.640\nWe want to be a team that fights.\n\n968\n00:37:28.640 --> 00:37:29.480\nWhat does that mean?\n\n969\n00:37:29.480 --> 00:37:31.080\nFight to be your best every day.\n\n970\n00:37:31.080 --> 00:37:34.600\nThat's the highest standard to be your absolute best every day.\n\n971\n00:37:34.600 --> 00:37:35.960\nThat's our goal.\n\n972\n00:37:35.960 --> 00:37:37.040\nAnd you're not going to achieve it,\n\n973\n00:37:37.040 --> 00:37:39.040\nbut we want to fight to get there.\n\n974\n00:37:39.040 --> 00:37:41.200\nWe talked about standards, the highest standards,\n\n975\n00:37:41.200 --> 00:37:45.080\nthe NFL, the Dallas Cowboys, the Tennessee Titans, right?\n\n976\n00:37:45.080 --> 00:37:47.360\nWe're going to set the standards high as leaders.\n\n977\n00:37:47.360 --> 00:37:49.200\nWe got to fight each day to reach them.\n\n978\n00:37:49.200 --> 00:37:51.280\nFight to get the job done, right?\n\n979\n00:37:51.280 --> 00:37:52.280\nEverybody's got a job.\n\n980\n00:37:52.280 --> 00:37:53.320\nWe got to fight to get it done.\n\n981\n00:37:53.320 --> 00:37:56.080\nAnd most importantly, fight for each other.\n\n982\n00:37:56.080 --> 00:37:57.680\nSo that was kind of the foundation\n\n983\n00:37:57.680 --> 00:37:59.280\nof what we're trying to do.\n\n984\n00:37:59.280 --> 00:38:03.960\nAnd for me, you could articulate that each and every day,\n\n985\n00:38:03.960 --> 00:38:06.560\nwhere you had great examples of guys on the practice field\n\n986\n00:38:06.560 --> 00:38:09.000\nor during the game or off the field,\n\n987\n00:38:09.000 --> 00:38:10.800\nhow they demonstrated that.\n\n988\n00:38:10.800 --> 00:38:12.120\nSo you reinforce that.\n\n989\n00:38:12.120 --> 00:38:17.800\nBut something I learned early on as you talk about expectations.\n\n990\n00:38:17.800 --> 00:38:21.920\nAnd we always did it where we said, hey, players,\n\n991\n00:38:21.920 --> 00:38:24.920\nthis is what you can expect from us as coaches.\n\n992\n00:38:24.920 --> 00:38:26.320\nAnd we go through that.\n\n993\n00:38:26.320 --> 00:38:28.720\nCan expect us to keep the standards high,\n\n994\n00:38:28.720 --> 00:38:33.000\ntreat you with respect, coach you hard, all of these things, right?\n\n995\n00:38:33.000 --> 00:38:35.440\nAnd then this is what we expect from you.\n\n996\n00:38:35.440 --> 00:38:37.720\nAnd a lot of it was the inverse of that.\n\n997\n00:38:37.720 --> 00:38:40.800\nBut if you lay that stuff out right at the outset\n\n998\n00:38:40.800 --> 00:38:42.520\nand you're crystal clear with it,\n\n999\n00:38:42.520 --> 00:38:44.800\nyou give them vivid examples of it,\n\n1000\n00:38:44.800 --> 00:38:47.680\nI do think that everybody understands.\n\n1001\n00:38:47.680 --> 00:38:50.000\nAnd then when things happen where you go,\n\n1002\n00:38:50.000 --> 00:38:52.200\narrive from that, it's easy to bring them back.\n\n1003\n00:38:52.200 --> 00:38:54.480\nHey, we talked about this on day one.\n\n1004\n00:38:54.480 --> 00:38:57.320\nYou know, something else that we always tried to do is\n\n1005\n00:38:57.320 --> 00:39:00.000\nwe tried to have the players by themselves,\n\n1006\n00:39:00.000 --> 00:39:02.400\nwhether it's the captains or a leadership group,\n\n1007\n00:39:02.400 --> 00:39:06.800\ncome up with like a player's motto or a mantra\n\n1008\n00:39:06.800 --> 00:39:10.440\nor something like that and a player's creed,\n\n1009\n00:39:10.440 --> 00:39:13.640\nnot unlike the Navy seals or an ethos of something like that\n\n1010\n00:39:13.640 --> 00:39:16.320\nand kind of get out of their way and say,\n\n1011\n00:39:16.320 --> 00:39:17.920\nwhat do you guys want our team to?\n\n1012\n00:39:17.920 --> 00:39:19.440\nWe talk about ownership.\n\n1013\n00:39:19.440 --> 00:39:21.480\nWhat do you guys want this team to be about?\n\n1014\n00:39:21.480 --> 00:39:23.760\nSo try to do both of those things.\n\n1015\n00:39:23.760 --> 00:39:26.760\nAnd hopefully those standards are crystal clear for everybody.\n\n1016\n00:39:26.760 --> 00:39:30.080\nAnd then again, the key is holding everybody accountable to it.\n\n1017\n00:39:30.080 --> 00:39:33.360\nYou think about coaches and stereotypically you think about\n\n1018\n00:39:33.360 --> 00:39:37.320\nhow some coaches are just never give you a compliment.\n\n1019\n00:39:37.320 --> 00:39:41.080\nYou know, I don't know if Bill Parcells is that way.\n\n1020\n00:39:41.080 --> 00:39:43.560\nYou know, but I think he's kind of known for being sort of a\n\n1021\n00:39:43.560 --> 00:39:46.600\ncurmudgeon, never, you know, never, never dole and out praise.\n\n1022\n00:39:46.600 --> 00:39:50.160\nAnd then you think of other, other coaches who, you know,\n\n1023\n00:39:50.160 --> 00:39:53.760\nlike you said, they recognize those behaviors that performance\n\n1024\n00:39:53.760 --> 00:39:57.120\nthat gets you the kind of fight culture you want.\n\n1025\n00:39:57.120 --> 00:40:01.120\nWhat kind of approach works today for the player?\n\n1026\n00:40:01.120 --> 00:40:04.040\nIs to this place player need the recognition\n\n1027\n00:40:04.040 --> 00:40:07.560\nor do they need the, you know, never get the praise?\n\n1028\n00:40:07.560 --> 00:40:09.040\nI mean, how do you look at that?\n\n1029\n00:40:09.040 --> 00:40:11.480\nWell, something I always said was, you know,\n\n1030\n00:40:11.480 --> 00:40:13.440\never since we were six years old,\n\n1031\n00:40:13.440 --> 00:40:16.240\nwe wanted to play and coach in the National Football League.\n\n1032\n00:40:16.240 --> 00:40:17.480\nNow we're here.\n\n1033\n00:40:17.480 --> 00:40:20.440\nYou know, let's not create a miserable environment.\n\n1034\n00:40:20.440 --> 00:40:22.760\nIt's not create an environment where everybody walks in like,\n\n1035\n00:40:22.760 --> 00:40:24.440\nOh my God, I hate being here.\n\n1036\n00:40:24.440 --> 00:40:25.360\nYou kidding me?\n\n1037\n00:40:25.360 --> 00:40:27.600\nWe're playing and coaching the NFL.\n\n1038\n00:40:27.600 --> 00:40:29.440\nLet's make this great, you know.\n\n1039\n00:40:29.440 --> 00:40:31.440\nSo I always believe that you want to have\n\n1040\n00:40:31.440 --> 00:40:35.360\na positive upbeat environment for people to live in\n\n1041\n00:40:35.360 --> 00:40:37.120\nand work in and function in.\n\n1042\n00:40:37.120 --> 00:40:38.880\nNow, having said that, you know,\n\n1043\n00:40:38.880 --> 00:40:39.960\nwe've talked about this a lot.\n\n1044\n00:40:39.960 --> 00:40:41.600\nYou got to keep the standards high.\n\n1045\n00:40:41.600 --> 00:40:43.000\nThis is what the expectations are.\n\n1046\n00:40:43.000 --> 00:40:44.560\nThese are what the standards are.\n\n1047\n00:40:44.560 --> 00:40:47.600\nAnd we're not going to be demeaning when we coach you,\n\n1048\n00:40:47.600 --> 00:40:49.280\nbut we're going to be demanding.\n\n1049\n00:40:49.280 --> 00:40:51.600\nWe're going to make sure that you're maximizing\n\n1050\n00:40:51.600 --> 00:40:54.280\nthis opportunity and we're getting everything out of you.\n\n1051\n00:40:54.280 --> 00:40:55.600\nI like that.\n\n1052\n00:40:55.600 --> 00:40:57.160\nNot demeaning, but demanding.\n\n1053\n00:40:57.160 --> 00:40:58.400\nThat's a good phrase.\n\n1054\n00:40:58.400 --> 00:41:00.360\nAnd I think that's something that\n\n1055\n00:41:00.360 --> 00:41:02.280\nif you have the right kind of guys on your team,\n\n1056\n00:41:02.280 --> 00:41:03.600\nthat's what they want.\n\n1057\n00:41:03.600 --> 00:41:06.320\nYou know, the best players I've been around want to be coached\n\n1058\n00:41:06.320 --> 00:41:08.000\nand they want to be coached hard.\n\n1059\n00:41:08.000 --> 00:41:12.040\nAnd so if you can do that and tell them why,\n\n1060\n00:41:12.040 --> 00:41:13.320\nnot just tell them to do it.\n\n1061\n00:41:13.320 --> 00:41:15.040\nHere's why this is important.\n\n1062\n00:41:15.040 --> 00:41:17.200\nI think you're going to get the most out of them.\n\n1063\n00:41:17.200 --> 00:41:20.040\nYeah, speaking of players and developing players,\n\n1064\n00:41:20.040 --> 00:41:21.480\nwhat's your philosophy on doing it?\n\n1065\n00:41:21.480 --> 00:41:24.560\nI mean, how do you develop the talent that you have?\n\n1066\n00:41:24.560 --> 00:41:25.440\nOh, it's critical.\n\n1067\n00:41:25.440 --> 00:41:26.800\nIt's everything.\n\n1068\n00:41:26.800 --> 00:41:29.280\nYou know, you have to identify players,\n\n1069\n00:41:29.280 --> 00:41:31.800\nboth in the draft and free agency,\n\n1070\n00:41:31.800 --> 00:41:33.400\ndo a great job with evaluations.\n\n1071\n00:41:33.400 --> 00:41:34.880\nBut then once you get them in the building,\n\n1072\n00:41:34.880 --> 00:41:39.040\nget your job as a coach and as an organization to help grow them,\n\n1073\n00:41:39.040 --> 00:41:42.600\nthose are your most valuable commodities, your players.\n\n1074\n00:41:42.600 --> 00:41:45.840\nAnd so everything has to point towards their development.\n\n1075\n00:41:45.840 --> 00:41:48.200\nAnd something that we've always talked about\n\n1076\n00:41:48.200 --> 00:41:51.440\nwas just the idea of being very intentional\n\n1077\n00:41:51.440 --> 00:41:53.160\nwith each player's development.\n\n1078\n00:41:53.160 --> 00:41:54.720\nLike at the end of the season,\n\n1079\n00:41:54.720 --> 00:41:57.040\nwe used to do something we called the plan.\n\n1080\n00:41:57.040 --> 00:41:59.680\nOkay, we've got to get David Novak better.\n\n1081\n00:41:59.680 --> 00:42:02.080\nOkay, so I'm coaching you and I say,\n\n1082\n00:42:02.080 --> 00:42:04.080\nokay, these are three strengths.\n\n1083\n00:42:04.080 --> 00:42:07.240\nThese are three areas where I think you need to improve.\n\n1084\n00:42:07.240 --> 00:42:09.480\nThese are three ways that we're going to do that.\n\n1085\n00:42:09.480 --> 00:42:10.960\nThis is what you need to do in the weight room.\n\n1086\n00:42:10.960 --> 00:42:12.920\nThis is what you need to do with your nutrition.\n\n1087\n00:42:12.920 --> 00:42:16.280\nI do that, but then we say, hey, David, you do that.\n\n1088\n00:42:16.280 --> 00:42:18.160\nYou do a self evaluation.\n\n1089\n00:42:18.160 --> 00:42:19.520\nAnd so you do the same thing.\n\n1090\n00:42:19.520 --> 00:42:21.480\nAnd then we get together and we meet.\n\n1091\n00:42:21.480 --> 00:42:23.920\nAnd hopefully those things are on the same page.\n\n1092\n00:42:23.920 --> 00:42:25.600\nAnd what we're doing for you is different\n\n1093\n00:42:25.600 --> 00:42:27.800\nthan what we're doing for Jimmy or Johnny.\n\n1094\n00:42:27.800 --> 00:42:29.800\nWe're having the same meetings with them.\n\n1095\n00:42:29.800 --> 00:42:31.360\nAnd you show them a cut up.\n\n1096\n00:42:31.360 --> 00:42:35.240\nAnd you show them the reasons why this is what I see.\n\n1097\n00:42:35.240 --> 00:42:36.640\nIs this how you see it?\n\n1098\n00:42:36.640 --> 00:42:38.600\nAnd you dig in on day one and say,\n\n1099\n00:42:38.600 --> 00:42:39.680\nhow are we going to improve?\n\n1100\n00:42:39.680 --> 00:42:41.400\nWhat kind of drills are we going to do?\n\n1101\n00:42:41.400 --> 00:42:43.440\nWhat are the steps we're going to take?\n\n1102\n00:42:43.440 --> 00:42:46.040\nI think coaches make a mistake and they say, okay,\n\n1103\n00:42:46.040 --> 00:42:47.960\nDavid Novak's a running back.\n\n1104\n00:42:47.960 --> 00:42:50.680\nSo he's in the running back room and he's just going to get better\n\n1105\n00:42:50.680 --> 00:42:52.920\nbecause we're going to coach all those guys.\n\n1106\n00:42:52.920 --> 00:42:53.960\nThat, yeah, that's true.\n\n1107\n00:42:53.960 --> 00:42:55.320\nThat's probably going to happen.\n\n1108\n00:42:55.320 --> 00:42:58.560\nBut if you can be intentional, have the player be intentional,\n\n1109\n00:42:58.560 --> 00:43:02.120\nhave the coach be intentional and maximize these opportunities,\n\n1110\n00:43:02.120 --> 00:43:04.760\nI think that's when you're going to get the best out everybody.\n\n1111\n00:43:04.760 --> 00:43:05.600\n- Absolutely.\n\n1112\n00:43:05.600 --> 00:43:08.760\nAnd you know, you won three NFC division titles.\n\n1113\n00:43:08.760 --> 00:43:12.280\nYou were named Coach of the Year in 2016.\n\n1114\n00:43:12.280 --> 00:43:16.280\nHow did you personally define success in an environment\n\n1115\n00:43:16.280 --> 00:43:19.360\nwhere if you don't win the Super Bowl, it's a bust.\n\n1116\n00:43:19.360 --> 00:43:23.400\nI mean, like you said, there's only one of the 32 gets there.\n\n1117\n00:43:23.400 --> 00:43:25.160\nI mean, how do you, if you don't win it,\n\n1118\n00:43:25.160 --> 00:43:27.720\nhow do you wake up and make yourself feel good about yourself?\n\n1119\n00:43:27.720 --> 00:43:30.240\n- Yeah, you know, it's a hard part of the job\n\n1120\n00:43:30.240 --> 00:43:31.600\nand the winning is the bottom line.\n\n1121\n00:43:31.600 --> 00:43:32.680\nWe all know that.\n\n1122\n00:43:32.680 --> 00:43:34.960\nAnd so you got to win or you're not going to have the opportunity\n\n1123\n00:43:34.960 --> 00:43:37.040\nto keep doing what you're doing.\n\n1124\n00:43:37.040 --> 00:43:38.960\nBut I do think when you're in it,\n\n1125\n00:43:38.960 --> 00:43:42.320\nI think it's important to critically evaluate\n\n1126\n00:43:42.320 --> 00:43:45.120\nhow you're playing independent of the result.\n\n1127\n00:43:45.120 --> 00:43:47.880\nI think that's what allows you to get better the most.\n\n1128\n00:43:47.880 --> 00:43:50.320\nAnd I'm sure you've had a ton of business meetings\n\n1129\n00:43:50.320 --> 00:43:55.200\nwhere you got, they've signed on, that you got the deal.\n\n1130\n00:43:55.200 --> 00:43:57.800\nBut if you really reflect back on it,\n\n1131\n00:43:57.800 --> 00:43:59.920\nmaybe that wasn't my best pitch.\n\n1132\n00:43:59.920 --> 00:44:02.080\nAnd other times you didn't get the deal\n\n1133\n00:44:02.080 --> 00:44:04.240\nand you knocked it out of the park, right?\n\n1134\n00:44:04.240 --> 00:44:06.280\nBut you have to critically evaluate those things\n\n1135\n00:44:06.280 --> 00:44:09.240\nindependent of the result, in my opinion.\n\n1136\n00:44:09.240 --> 00:44:11.600\nI think if you can do that on a consistent basis,\n\n1137\n00:44:11.600 --> 00:44:13.800\nNick Saban was great at doing that.\n\n1138\n00:44:13.800 --> 00:44:18.200\nSometimes he was critically so incredibly critical of us\n\n1139\n00:44:18.200 --> 00:44:19.880\nwhen we won a game.\n\n1140\n00:44:19.880 --> 00:44:22.480\nAnd then when we lost a game, much more understanding.\n\n1141\n00:44:22.480 --> 00:44:24.480\nThis was good, this was good.\n\n1142\n00:44:24.480 --> 00:44:27.000\nSo I think over time, if you're really objective\n\n1143\n00:44:27.000 --> 00:44:29.560\nabout how you're doing things along the way,\n\n1144\n00:44:29.560 --> 00:44:31.560\nthat's what's going to lead to the bottom line\n\n1145\n00:44:31.560 --> 00:44:33.560\nof winning maybe more than anything else.\n\n1146\n00:44:33.560 --> 00:44:35.680\n- You mentioned great coaches earlier.\n\n1147\n00:44:35.680 --> 00:44:37.800\nThe Nick Saban, the John Woodens,\n\n1148\n00:44:37.800 --> 00:44:39.520\nthey had the process and discipline\n\n1149\n00:44:39.520 --> 00:44:41.320\naround what really matters.\n\n1150\n00:44:42.520 --> 00:44:46.080\nWhen it comes to winning in football,\n\n1151\n00:44:46.080 --> 00:44:48.520\nwhere do you think you, what's your ideas\n\n1152\n00:44:48.520 --> 00:44:49.960\non process and discipline?\n\n1153\n00:44:49.960 --> 00:44:51.720\nWhere do you have to have it?\n\n1154\n00:44:51.720 --> 00:44:54.560\n- Oh yeah, you have to have it in every aspect of it.\n\n1155\n00:44:54.560 --> 00:44:57.560\nAnd you think about building an organization.\n\n1156\n00:44:57.560 --> 00:45:00.200\nAnd there's a great story that I can remember,\n\n1157\n00:45:00.200 --> 00:45:04.280\nwe went up in 2016, we had the fourth pick of the draft.\n\n1158\n00:45:04.280 --> 00:45:07.280\nAnd we took a whole group of people up to Ohio State.\n\n1159\n00:45:07.280 --> 00:45:10.800\nAnd Ohio State had like five or six guys\n\n1160\n00:45:10.800 --> 00:45:12.560\nwho were gonna be first round picks.\n\n1161\n00:45:12.560 --> 00:45:17.560\nAnd Joey Bosa and Ezekiel Elliott and some other guys.\n\n1162\n00:45:17.560 --> 00:45:20.080\nAnd so we took a whole staff up there\n\n1163\n00:45:20.080 --> 00:45:22.360\nto work these guys out, talk to coaches,\n\n1164\n00:45:22.360 --> 00:45:23.760\nspend time with them.\n\n1165\n00:45:23.760 --> 00:45:25.960\nAnd I had never been to Ohio State.\n\n1166\n00:45:25.960 --> 00:45:29.840\nAnd I walked into their football offices\n\n1167\n00:45:29.840 --> 00:45:32.840\nand there was this two-story atrium entryway.\n\n1168\n00:45:32.840 --> 00:45:35.320\nAnd I can remember looking at the floor\n\n1169\n00:45:35.320 --> 00:45:37.040\nand they had all these words\n\n1170\n00:45:37.040 --> 00:45:39.960\nlike engraved on the floor excellence,\n\n1171\n00:45:39.960 --> 00:45:43.520\nperformance, integrity, discipline, all of that.\n\n1172\n00:45:43.520 --> 00:45:45.360\nI'm like, you know, you're thinking about\n\n1173\n00:45:45.360 --> 00:45:47.200\nwhen you're a leader, you're always trying to message.\n\n1174\n00:45:47.200 --> 00:45:48.400\nI'm like, that's interesting.\n\n1175\n00:45:48.400 --> 00:45:50.240\nAnd then kind of at eye level,\n\n1176\n00:45:50.240 --> 00:45:53.760\nthey had these pictures of all the great Ohio State players\n\n1177\n00:45:53.760 --> 00:45:56.000\nthrough the years, names that were very recognizable.\n\n1178\n00:45:56.000 --> 00:45:57.960\nLike, ah, that's really cool.\n\n1179\n00:45:57.960 --> 00:46:01.560\nI mean, amazing, these coaches and players who have been here.\n\n1180\n00:46:01.560 --> 00:46:03.040\nAnd then I looked up,\n\n1181\n00:46:03.040 --> 00:46:05.440\nand like on the top of the second story atrium,\n\n1182\n00:46:05.440 --> 00:46:09.400\nthere was a quote by Woody Hayes, their longtime coach.\n\n1183\n00:46:09.400 --> 00:46:13.120\nAnd he said, you win with people, that's the takeaway.\n\n1184\n00:46:13.120 --> 00:46:14.160\nYou know, that's the takeaway.\n\n1185\n00:46:14.160 --> 00:46:16.280\nAnd that's such a simple thing to say.\n\n1186\n00:46:16.280 --> 00:46:18.480\nBut if you can be really disciplined\n\n1187\n00:46:18.480 --> 00:46:21.080\nwith the people you bring into your organization\n\n1188\n00:46:21.080 --> 00:46:24.680\nand you're really crystal clear as to what you're looking for,\n\n1189\n00:46:24.680 --> 00:46:29.160\nit's amazing how all these other things can follow from that.\n\n1190\n00:46:29.160 --> 00:46:30.600\nIf you're bringing bad people\n\n1191\n00:46:30.600 --> 00:46:32.360\nwho don't want to be part of a team,\n\n1192\n00:46:32.360 --> 00:46:35.200\naren't willing to work, don't really care about each other,\n\n1193\n00:46:35.200 --> 00:46:36.440\nall of that stuff,\n\n1194\n00:46:36.440 --> 00:46:39.800\nyou're going to have a hard time getting any message to stick.\n\n1195\n00:46:39.800 --> 00:46:41.480\nBut if you're bringing in the right kind of people\n\n1196\n00:46:41.480 --> 00:46:43.920\nwho love football, want to be part of a team,\n\n1197\n00:46:43.920 --> 00:46:46.320\nwilling to work for it, all of that,\n\n1198\n00:46:46.320 --> 00:46:50.040\nall of a sudden everything you say kind of, kind of sticks.\n\n1199\n00:46:50.040 --> 00:46:51.520\nYou can be a disciplined team.\n\n1200\n00:46:51.520 --> 00:46:54.160\nYou can achieve some of the things you want to achieve.\n\n1201\n00:46:54.160 --> 00:46:57.320\nSo we always were very thoughtful about,\n\n1202\n00:46:57.320 --> 00:46:59.480\nhey, who are we letting in the door?\n\n1203\n00:46:59.480 --> 00:47:00.480\n- So speaking of that,\n\n1204\n00:47:00.480 --> 00:47:02.360\nwhat would be the one question you'd ask\n\n1205\n00:47:02.360 --> 00:47:04.680\nlike a potential first round draft pick?\n\n1206\n00:47:04.680 --> 00:47:06.760\nThey come in number, what would you ask them?\n\n1207\n00:47:06.760 --> 00:47:09.520\n- Well, I used to ask two questions.\n\n1208\n00:47:09.520 --> 00:47:11.920\nThey have this amazing thing at the Combine, David.\n\n1209\n00:47:11.920 --> 00:47:14.440\nI'd love to have you be a part of it sometime.\n\n1210\n00:47:14.440 --> 00:47:17.560\nIt was like speed dating, starting at six o'clock at night,\n\n1211\n00:47:17.560 --> 00:47:21.800\na horn goes off and a player comes into this hotel room.\n\n1212\n00:47:21.800 --> 00:47:22.960\nAnd you have the head coach\n\n1213\n00:47:22.960 --> 00:47:26.440\nand you have coordinators and personnel guys and scouts\n\n1214\n00:47:26.440 --> 00:47:27.840\nall in the room and the guy comes in\n\n1215\n00:47:27.840 --> 00:47:29.920\nand you got 15 minutes with them.\n\n1216\n00:47:29.920 --> 00:47:32.320\nAt the 14 minute mark, another horn goes off\n\n1217\n00:47:32.320 --> 00:47:33.800\ntelling you got one more minute,\n\n1218\n00:47:33.800 --> 00:47:36.440\nthen the horn goes again and everybody changes.\n\n1219\n00:47:36.440 --> 00:47:39.320\nAnd so we used to try to be really systematic.\n\n1220\n00:47:39.320 --> 00:47:40.840\nWe did the position coach talk\n\n1221\n00:47:40.840 --> 00:47:42.880\nand then the coordinator personnel guy.\n\n1222\n00:47:42.880 --> 00:47:46.200\nAnd I used to always talk last and I had two questions.\n\n1223\n00:47:46.200 --> 00:47:47.920\nMy first question was,\n\n1224\n00:47:47.920 --> 00:47:49.920\nwhat's the biggest challenge you've had in your life\n\n1225\n00:47:49.920 --> 00:47:51.760\nand how did you get through it?\n\n1226\n00:47:51.760 --> 00:47:55.200\nAnd it's amazing the stories you hear,\n\n1227\n00:47:55.200 --> 00:47:58.880\nsome tragic stories, some really hard stories\n\n1228\n00:47:58.880 --> 00:47:59.800\nto the point where you say,\n\n1229\n00:47:59.800 --> 00:48:03.320\nhow was this guy even in this room after going through that?\n\n1230\n00:48:03.320 --> 00:48:04.880\nBut you know, life's about adversity.\n\n1231\n00:48:04.880 --> 00:48:06.160\nThe NFL's about adversity.\n\n1232\n00:48:06.160 --> 00:48:08.760\nYou want to know if these guys can get through it.\n\n1233\n00:48:08.760 --> 00:48:10.760\nBut my other question was,\n\n1234\n00:48:10.760 --> 00:48:12.960\nsay the kid was from Ohio State,\n\n1235\n00:48:12.960 --> 00:48:16.240\nI would say, hey, there's 100 guys in Ohio State's program.\n\n1236\n00:48:16.240 --> 00:48:18.720\nWe're going to ask everybody associate with the program,\n\n1237\n00:48:18.720 --> 00:48:21.480\ncoaches, players and staff members\n\n1238\n00:48:21.480 --> 00:48:23.720\nto rank the players one through 100\n\n1239\n00:48:23.720 --> 00:48:27.400\nbased on one criteria, how much they love football\n\n1240\n00:48:27.400 --> 00:48:30.280\nand then provide the evidence for the love.\n\n1241\n00:48:30.280 --> 00:48:33.280\nOne loves it the most, 100 loves it the least.\n\n1242\n00:48:33.280 --> 00:48:34.840\nSo I would ask them, I said,\n\n1243\n00:48:34.840 --> 00:48:38.600\nwhere does everybody rank you and what's their evidence?\n\n1244\n00:48:38.600 --> 00:48:40.000\nAnd invariably the guy would say,\n\n1245\n00:48:40.000 --> 00:48:42.040\noh, they rank me one coach, one,\n\n1246\n00:48:42.040 --> 00:48:44.320\nI just have a feeling, ever since I was a kid,\n\n1247\n00:48:44.320 --> 00:48:46.200\nI love football, it's a feeling inside of me.\n\n1248\n00:48:46.200 --> 00:48:48.800\nI'm like, that wasn't the question.\n\n1249\n00:48:48.800 --> 00:48:51.560\nThe question was, everybody else is ranking you\n\n1250\n00:48:51.560 --> 00:48:55.200\nhow much you love football and what's their evidence?\n\n1251\n00:48:55.200 --> 00:48:56.120\nDo you get there early?\n\n1252\n00:48:56.120 --> 00:48:58.960\nDo you stay late or you're prepared or you're a great teammate?\n\n1253\n00:48:58.960 --> 00:49:00.320\nYou're always working on your skin.\n\n1254\n00:49:00.320 --> 00:49:03.480\nWhatever those things are, you're looking for evidence.\n\n1255\n00:49:03.480 --> 00:49:06.320\nAnd so to me, passion for the game,\n\n1256\n00:49:06.320 --> 00:49:09.000\nlove for what you're doing is really line one.\n\n1257\n00:49:09.000 --> 00:49:11.480\nIf you don't love it, it's too hard.\n\n1258\n00:49:11.480 --> 00:49:14.040\nAnd that's the only way you're going to get better at it.\n\n1259\n00:49:14.040 --> 00:49:17.840\nAnd so we always challenge guys about that.\n\n1260\n00:49:17.840 --> 00:49:19.360\nAnd not only the feeling of love,\n\n1261\n00:49:19.360 --> 00:49:21.480\nbut love is an action, it's a verb.\n\n1262\n00:49:21.480 --> 00:49:23.280\nWhat do you do, what's the evidence?\n\n1263\n00:49:23.280 --> 00:49:26.160\nAnd so I think if you can get through those two questions,\n\n1264\n00:49:26.160 --> 00:49:28.440\nyou get a pretty decent feel of what the guy's all about.\n\n1265\n00:49:28.440 --> 00:49:30.800\nNo, I love both of those questions, outstanding.\n\n1266\n00:49:30.800 --> 00:49:34.160\nAnd leaders, as you know, you have to manage up\n\n1267\n00:49:34.160 --> 00:49:38.280\nand you have to manage down in your organization.\n\n1268\n00:49:38.280 --> 00:49:40.880\nAnd you work with Jerry Jones.\n\n1269\n00:49:40.880 --> 00:49:43.280\nWhat did you learn about leading up working with him,\n\n1270\n00:49:43.280 --> 00:49:44.680\nnot just managing down?\n\n1271\n00:49:44.680 --> 00:49:49.680\nYou know, he's reportedly a micro manager,\n\n1272\n00:49:49.680 --> 00:49:52.520\npretty tough guy to work with,\n\n1273\n00:49:52.520 --> 00:49:54.800\nbut also supportive, I'm sure.\n\n1274\n00:49:54.800 --> 00:49:56.880\nWhat did you learn, managing up with him?\n\n1275\n00:49:56.880 --> 00:49:59.240\nWell, just an amazing experience, first and foremost.\n\n1276\n00:49:59.240 --> 00:50:02.000\nI learned so much from him about so many things.\n\n1277\n00:50:02.000 --> 00:50:04.760\nSo I'm grateful for that experience.\n\n1278\n00:50:04.760 --> 00:50:07.320\nBut I do think if you're a head coach,\n\n1279\n00:50:07.320 --> 00:50:10.680\nyou're not in charge, ownership is in charge.\n\n1280\n00:50:10.680 --> 00:50:12.040\nGeneral managers are in charge.\n\n1281\n00:50:12.040 --> 00:50:13.160\nSo you have to lead up.\n\n1282\n00:50:13.160 --> 00:50:15.600\nAnd I think for me, it was always the importance\n\n1283\n00:50:15.600 --> 00:50:18.320\nof creating a crystal clear vision for the team.\n\n1284\n00:50:18.320 --> 00:50:20.920\nAnd if you can articulate it clearly,\n\n1285\n00:50:20.920 --> 00:50:23.120\nwhat you want the team to be like,\n\n1286\n00:50:23.120 --> 00:50:24.680\nwhat you want this thing to look like,\n\n1287\n00:50:24.680 --> 00:50:27.440\nwho we want to bring in and say it in a way\n\n1288\n00:50:27.440 --> 00:50:29.600\nthat is compelling to people,\n\n1289\n00:50:29.600 --> 00:50:31.400\nthey can see it in their minds.\n\n1290\n00:50:31.400 --> 00:50:33.120\nThat's when your vision comes alive.\n\n1291\n00:50:33.120 --> 00:50:35.600\nAnd ultimately, Jerry Jones is the decision maker.\n\n1292\n00:50:35.600 --> 00:50:37.160\nHe drafted the players.\n\n1293\n00:50:37.160 --> 00:50:39.880\nHe signed off on the free agents, all of that.\n\n1294\n00:50:39.880 --> 00:50:42.240\nSo we had to do a great job saying,\n\n1295\n00:50:42.240 --> 00:50:43.400\nhey, you know something?\n\n1296\n00:50:43.400 --> 00:50:45.960\nWith the ninth pick of the draft in 2011,\n\n1297\n00:50:45.960 --> 00:50:50.400\nmy first year, Tyron Smith is the guy we need to draft.\n\n1298\n00:50:50.400 --> 00:50:51.520\nWe need to draft this guy.\n\n1299\n00:50:51.520 --> 00:50:52.600\nAnd here's why.\n\n1300\n00:50:52.600 --> 00:50:54.720\nBop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop.\n\n1301\n00:50:54.720 --> 00:50:56.560\nYou know, and if you can convey that\n\n1302\n00:50:56.560 --> 00:50:59.760\nin a crystal clear manner and be compelling,\n\n1303\n00:50:59.760 --> 00:51:01.480\nyou know, I think that's important.\n\n1304\n00:51:01.480 --> 00:51:05.160\nSo I think with personnel decisions and any decisions,\n\n1305\n00:51:05.160 --> 00:51:07.680\nit's incumbent upon you to be able to communicate\n\n1306\n00:51:07.680 --> 00:51:10.240\nand communicate well and have great reasons\n\n1307\n00:51:10.240 --> 00:51:11.720\nfor why you want to do things.\n\n1308\n00:51:11.720 --> 00:51:14.680\nAnd I think that's probably the biggest lesson you learn.\n\n1309\n00:51:14.680 --> 00:51:17.160\n- You know, being let go is one of the toughest things\n\n1310\n00:51:17.160 --> 00:51:19.000\nfor anyone to deal with in life.\n\n1311\n00:51:19.000 --> 00:51:23.280\nAnd when your contract was renewed with the Cowboys,\n\n1312\n00:51:23.280 --> 00:51:28.040\nhow did you process that and move forward as a leader?\n\n1313\n00:51:28.040 --> 00:51:29.520\n- It's a challenge.\n\n1314\n00:51:29.520 --> 00:51:32.960\nIt is 'cause so much of your life is invested in it.\n\n1315\n00:51:32.960 --> 00:51:35.720\nAnd, you know, as a player and as a coach,\n\n1316\n00:51:35.720 --> 00:51:37.120\nin order to be great at something,\n\n1317\n00:51:37.120 --> 00:51:40.200\nyou got to dive into it and put your heart and soul\n\n1318\n00:51:40.200 --> 00:51:41.640\nand everything into it.\n\n1319\n00:51:41.640 --> 00:51:44.160\nAnd, you know, it takes over your life.\n\n1320\n00:51:44.160 --> 00:51:47.080\nAnd we always talk to our players and coaches\n\n1321\n00:51:47.080 --> 00:51:48.120\nabout ownership.\n\n1322\n00:51:48.120 --> 00:51:50.480\nTake ownership of this thing, it's your team.\n\n1323\n00:51:50.480 --> 00:51:52.640\nWell, when you get relieved of your duties,\n\n1324\n00:51:52.640 --> 00:51:54.200\nit's no longer your team.\n\n1325\n00:51:54.200 --> 00:51:57.280\nAnd that can leave a real hole in your life.\n\n1326\n00:51:57.280 --> 00:51:59.120\nAnd, you know, I used to always think\n\n1327\n00:51:59.120 --> 00:52:01.560\nwhen I was planning coaching, you know,\n\n1328\n00:52:01.560 --> 00:52:06.560\nunderstand that this isn't all who you are as a person.\n\n1329\n00:52:06.560 --> 00:52:09.280\nDon't let your entire life and your values,\n\n1330\n00:52:09.280 --> 00:52:11.680\nhow you value yourself be based on winning\n\n1331\n00:52:11.680 --> 00:52:13.680\nand losing a game, right?\n\n1332\n00:52:13.680 --> 00:52:15.760\nAnd so even though you're completely invested\n\n1333\n00:52:15.760 --> 00:52:18.240\nin your ownership and you're all in on it,\n\n1334\n00:52:18.240 --> 00:52:20.680\nyou do have other parts of your life\n\n1335\n00:52:20.680 --> 00:52:23.000\nand you do have value beyond this.\n\n1336\n00:52:23.000 --> 00:52:25.160\nDon't inflate your value when you win\n\n1337\n00:52:25.160 --> 00:52:27.720\nand certainly don't diminish your value when you lose.\n\n1338\n00:52:27.720 --> 00:52:29.280\nSo I think that's important,\n\n1339\n00:52:29.280 --> 00:52:31.680\nbut that is not easy to do.\n\n1340\n00:52:31.680 --> 00:52:35.040\nNo, it's not easy to do.\n\n1341\n00:52:35.040 --> 00:52:37.560\nAnd it's hard for all of us regardless.\n\n1342\n00:52:37.560 --> 00:52:39.040\nAnd I think in a lot of ways,\n\n1343\n00:52:39.040 --> 00:52:41.400\nit's hard for players to transition.\n\n1344\n00:52:41.400 --> 00:52:42.680\nIf you think about players\n\n1345\n00:52:42.680 --> 00:52:46.240\nwho have their identity has been tied to playing football\n\n1346\n00:52:46.240 --> 00:52:47.640\nand you're a football player,\n\n1347\n00:52:47.640 --> 00:52:48.600\nyou're a great football player,\n\n1348\n00:52:48.600 --> 00:52:50.640\nyou're a Hall of Fame football player.\n\n1349\n00:52:50.640 --> 00:52:52.760\nYou know, that's a big part of who you are\n\n1350\n00:52:52.760 --> 00:52:55.080\nand to be able to wake up the next day\n\n1351\n00:52:55.080 --> 00:52:57.360\nand have a passion and a purpose for something\n\n1352\n00:52:57.360 --> 00:52:58.200\nthat's hard to do.\n\n1353\n00:52:58.200 --> 00:53:00.400\nSo those situations are never easy,\n\n1354\n00:53:00.400 --> 00:53:03.080\nbut you know, you tell yourself that.\n\n1355\n00:53:03.080 --> 00:53:04.400\nI used to always say, you know,\n\n1356\n00:53:04.400 --> 00:53:06.680\nyou make these talks to the team.\n\n1357\n00:53:06.680 --> 00:53:09.080\nSometimes you got to listen to your own talks.\n\n1358\n00:53:09.080 --> 00:53:09.920\n(laughing)\n\n1359\n00:53:09.920 --> 00:53:13.280\nYou say the same thing too, you know,\n\n1360\n00:53:13.280 --> 00:53:15.480\nsometimes I'm not very good at it either.\n\n1361\n00:53:15.480 --> 00:53:17.400\n- Yeah, exactly right.\n\n1362\n00:53:17.400 --> 00:53:20.880\n- You know, speaking of transitions in 2022,\n\n1363\n00:53:20.880 --> 00:53:25.200\nyou joined NBC as a sports analyst.\n\n1364\n00:53:25.200 --> 00:53:27.360\nWhat advice can you give others\n\n1365\n00:53:27.360 --> 00:53:29.240\non how to transition well?\n\n1366\n00:53:29.240 --> 00:53:31.480\nBecause you obviously enjoy what you're doing now\n\n1367\n00:53:31.480 --> 00:53:33.520\nand you're having a good time doing it.\n\n1368\n00:53:33.520 --> 00:53:34.680\n- Yeah, no doubt.\n\n1369\n00:53:34.680 --> 00:53:37.040\nI had a great opportunity, you know,\n\n1370\n00:53:37.040 --> 00:53:38.920\nFred Goodelly who's a, you know,\n\n1371\n00:53:38.920 --> 00:53:41.520\none of the great football producers of all time\n\n1372\n00:53:41.520 --> 00:53:44.200\nis a friend of mine and he reached out\n\n1373\n00:53:44.200 --> 00:53:46.280\nand said, you know, what do you think about broadcasting?\n\n1374\n00:53:46.280 --> 00:53:47.840\nAnd I said, I said, what do you think about it?\n\n1375\n00:53:47.840 --> 00:53:49.800\nYou're the expert and, you know,\n\n1376\n00:53:49.800 --> 00:53:51.560\nand he gave me some great advice.\n\n1377\n00:53:51.560 --> 00:53:53.440\nI think you'll appreciate this.\n\n1378\n00:53:53.440 --> 00:53:55.400\nHe said, we're doing the USFL\n\n1379\n00:53:55.400 --> 00:53:58.680\ndown in Birmingham, Alabama, NBC's doing it.\n\n1380\n00:53:58.680 --> 00:54:00.960\nAnd there can be 10 games this spring.\n\n1381\n00:54:00.960 --> 00:54:04.080\nI think you should go down there and be our analyst.\n\n1382\n00:54:04.080 --> 00:54:07.680\nAnd he said, you're going to work with great people,\n\n1383\n00:54:07.680 --> 00:54:09.880\nsome of the best people at NBC.\n\n1384\n00:54:09.880 --> 00:54:12.360\nIt'll be a fantastic environment to work in.\n\n1385\n00:54:12.360 --> 00:54:13.880\nYou'll learn a lot from them.\n\n1386\n00:54:13.880 --> 00:54:15.880\nYou'll find out if you like it.\n\n1387\n00:54:15.880 --> 00:54:17.800\nWe'll find out if you're any good at it.\n\n1388\n00:54:17.800 --> 00:54:20.760\nAnd most importantly, no one will be watching.\n\n1389\n00:54:20.760 --> 00:54:23.520\n(laughing)\n\n1390\n00:54:23.520 --> 00:54:25.880\nAnd he was so true.\n\n1391\n00:54:25.880 --> 00:54:28.160\nI mean, he was dead on.\n\n1392\n00:54:28.160 --> 00:54:30.800\nAnd so, you know, I got into it about three or four weeks\n\n1393\n00:54:30.800 --> 00:54:32.120\nand they said, hey, it's going well\n\n1394\n00:54:32.120 --> 00:54:34.680\nand they offer me some more opportunities.\n\n1395\n00:54:34.680 --> 00:54:36.000\nAnd I'm grateful for those.\n\n1396\n00:54:36.000 --> 00:54:38.520\nAnd, you know, I think the biggest thing, you know,\n\n1397\n00:54:38.520 --> 00:54:41.400\nat that time, it was a risk.\n\n1398\n00:54:41.400 --> 00:54:42.960\nIt was something that was completely different\n\n1399\n00:54:42.960 --> 00:54:44.640\nthan I had done before.\n\n1400\n00:54:44.640 --> 00:54:47.600\nAnd it was just a willingness to say, yeah, what the hell?\n\n1401\n00:54:47.600 --> 00:54:48.680\nLet's dive in and do it.\n\n1402\n00:54:48.680 --> 00:54:49.920\nI trusted him.\n\n1403\n00:54:49.920 --> 00:54:52.520\nIt intrigued me a little bit\n\n1404\n00:54:52.520 --> 00:54:55.320\nand just a willingness to maybe try something new.\n\n1405\n00:54:55.320 --> 00:54:57.520\nAnd I'm grateful I did.\n\n1406\n00:54:57.520 --> 00:54:59.640\nAnd NBC, they're incredible people.\n\n1407\n00:54:59.640 --> 00:55:00.560\nI've learned so much.\n\n1408\n00:55:00.560 --> 00:55:03.280\nAnd I have a lot of fun doing what I'm doing.\n\n1409\n00:55:03.280 --> 00:55:06.760\n- Jason, you've mentioned grateful many times\n\n1410\n00:55:06.760 --> 00:55:09.720\nin this conversation that we've had.\n\n1411\n00:55:09.720 --> 00:55:14.720\nHow important is just having gratitude in your life?\n\n1412\n00:55:14.720 --> 00:55:19.520\nHow much does that play in what makes you tick?\n\n1413\n00:55:19.520 --> 00:55:22.360\n- You know, I can reflect back on my life.\n\n1414\n00:55:22.360 --> 00:55:25.320\nAnd when I've been at my absolute worst,\n\n1415\n00:55:25.320 --> 00:55:27.400\nI haven't had any gratitude.\n\n1416\n00:55:27.400 --> 00:55:29.260\nYou start thinking about all the wrong things.\n\n1417\n00:55:29.260 --> 00:55:31.120\nYou start thinking about what other people are doing.\n\n1418\n00:55:31.120 --> 00:55:33.360\nYou start forgetting how fortunate you are\n\n1419\n00:55:33.360 --> 00:55:34.600\nin so many different ways.\n\n1420\n00:55:34.600 --> 00:55:38.460\nAnd if you can just bring it back to that each and every day,\n\n1421\n00:55:38.460 --> 00:55:40.060\nthink about the family I grew up in.\n\n1422\n00:55:40.060 --> 00:55:42.680\nThink about the opportunities I had athletically\n\n1423\n00:55:42.680 --> 00:55:46.000\nand academically and the people I've had a chance to meet\n\n1424\n00:55:46.000 --> 00:55:50.080\nand the different things I've been able to be a part of\n\n1425\n00:55:50.080 --> 00:55:52.120\nand people to learn from and all of that.\n\n1426\n00:55:52.120 --> 00:55:53.920\nIf you can really just honestly pull back,\n\n1427\n00:55:53.920 --> 00:55:55.560\nit's like, are you kidding me?\n\n1428\n00:55:55.560 --> 00:55:57.200\nThis is ridiculous.\n\n1429\n00:55:57.200 --> 00:56:00.380\nAnd I've just been so fortunate in so many ways.\n\n1430\n00:56:00.380 --> 00:56:02.620\nAnd, you know, what I've always thought was,\n\n1431\n00:56:02.620 --> 00:56:05.220\nit's incumbent upon you to take full advantage\n\n1432\n00:56:05.220 --> 00:56:07.700\nof these opportunities, strive to be your best.\n\n1433\n00:56:07.700 --> 00:56:08.660\nYou're not gonna be your best.\n\n1434\n00:56:08.660 --> 00:56:09.580\nYou're gonna fall short.\n\n1435\n00:56:09.580 --> 00:56:10.420\nYou're not gonna be perfect.\n\n1436\n00:56:10.420 --> 00:56:11.300\nI got that.\n\n1437\n00:56:11.300 --> 00:56:14.220\nBut fight, fight to be your best in everything you do\n\n1438\n00:56:14.220 --> 00:56:15.740\nto embrace these opportunities\n\n1439\n00:56:15.740 --> 00:56:17.820\nand show your gratitude for them.\n\n1440\n00:56:17.820 --> 00:56:20.980\nAnd so much of it, if you think about, like I said,\n\n1441\n00:56:20.980 --> 00:56:23.220\ntalking about my parents, my brothers and sisters,\n\n1442\n00:56:23.220 --> 00:56:27.760\nmy wife, friends, colleagues, coaches, teammates,\n\n1443\n00:56:27.760 --> 00:56:30.400\nall of that, I mean, I've just been so fortunate\n\n1444\n00:56:30.400 --> 00:56:31.640\nto be around so many people.\n\n1445\n00:56:31.640 --> 00:56:34.280\nAnd when I keep that in the forefront of my mind,\n\n1446\n00:56:34.280 --> 00:56:36.440\nI find I'm a much better person.\n\n1447\n00:56:36.440 --> 00:56:38.720\n- You know, Jason, it's been so much fun\n\n1448\n00:56:38.720 --> 00:56:40.040\nand I wanna have some more\n\n1449\n00:56:40.040 --> 00:56:41.680\nwith my lightning round of questions.\n\n1450\n00:56:41.680 --> 00:56:42.520\nSo are you ready for this?\n\n1451\n00:56:42.520 --> 00:56:43.820\n- Okay, let's go.\n\n1452\n00:56:43.820 --> 00:56:45.480\nThree words to best describe you.\n\n1453\n00:56:45.480 --> 00:56:49.920\nGrateful is one of them, driven is one of them.\n\n1454\n00:56:49.920 --> 00:56:53.420\nAnd hopefully somebody strives to be a good person.\n\n1455\n00:56:53.420 --> 00:56:55.120\n- If you could be one person for a day\n\n1456\n00:56:55.120 --> 00:56:56.920\nbeside yourself, who would it be?\n\n1457\n00:56:56.920 --> 00:56:59.240\n- I'd like to try to be the president for a day.\n\n1458\n00:56:59.240 --> 00:57:00.800\n- What's your biggest pet peeve?\n\n1459\n00:57:00.800 --> 00:57:04.100\n- Access to things, passwords.\n\n1460\n00:57:04.100 --> 00:57:09.000\nYou know what I'm talking about?\n\n1461\n00:57:09.000 --> 00:57:09.920\nEvery time you turn around,\n\n1462\n00:57:09.920 --> 00:57:11.640\nsomebody's asking us for a password.\n\n1463\n00:57:11.640 --> 00:57:14.520\n- Who would play you in a movie?\n\n1464\n00:57:14.520 --> 00:57:16.820\n- Damian Lewis, he's a red-headed guy.\n\n1465\n00:57:16.820 --> 00:57:17.720\nI love him to death.\n\n1466\n00:57:17.720 --> 00:57:20.040\n- Who's the best teammate you've ever had?\n\n1467\n00:57:20.040 --> 00:57:21.160\n- This is not one word.\n\n1468\n00:57:21.160 --> 00:57:23.560\nTroy Aikman, Darrell Johnston, Michael Irvin,\n\n1469\n00:57:23.560 --> 00:57:25.080\nMark Steppnaski, Mark Toowin.\n\n1470\n00:57:25.080 --> 00:57:27.800\nI mean, I can go on and on and on and on and on.\n\n1471\n00:57:27.800 --> 00:57:29.720\nA million of them, I'll believe in all of them short,\n\n1472\n00:57:29.720 --> 00:57:32.040\nbut so forth to have so many great ones.\n\n1473\n00:57:32.040 --> 00:57:33.600\n- Best player you ever coached?\n\n1474\n00:57:33.600 --> 00:57:34.880\n- The best player I've ever coached\n\n1475\n00:57:34.880 --> 00:57:36.640\nwas probably Jason Whitten,\n\n1476\n00:57:36.640 --> 00:57:38.680\nto Marcus Ware, certainly right there.\n\n1477\n00:57:38.680 --> 00:57:41.480\n- Who was the first person to give you the nickname Red?\n\n1478\n00:57:41.480 --> 00:57:44.720\n- Oh, you know, my nickname when I was a kid\n\n1479\n00:57:44.720 --> 00:57:48.400\nand people who know me since I'm really young is Skin,\n\n1480\n00:57:48.400 --> 00:57:52.080\nSKIN, 'cause I used to have a big afro\n\n1481\n00:57:52.080 --> 00:57:54.360\nwhen I was a little kid and I got it all cut off once\n\n1482\n00:57:54.360 --> 00:57:56.160\nand like, hey, you look like a skinhead.\n\n1483\n00:57:56.160 --> 00:57:59.520\nAnd so that stuck, literally all my college buddies,\n\n1484\n00:57:59.520 --> 00:58:01.600\nall my buddies from growing up.\n\n1485\n00:58:01.600 --> 00:58:05.680\nBut certainly the obvious nickname is Red\n\n1486\n00:58:05.680 --> 00:58:08.120\nand I think probably my literally coach,\n\n1487\n00:58:08.120 --> 00:58:09.400\nit's when I was six years old,\n\n1488\n00:58:09.400 --> 00:58:10.920\nprobably started calling me that.\n\n1489\n00:58:10.920 --> 00:58:13.440\n- Your favorite golf course to play in Long Island?\n\n1490\n00:58:13.440 --> 00:58:15.040\n- You know, I just had the opportunity to play\n\n1491\n00:58:15.040 --> 00:58:17.520\nShinnecock, incredible.\n\n1492\n00:58:17.520 --> 00:58:20.120\n- What's something you've been curious about lately\n\n1493\n00:58:20.120 --> 00:58:22.200\nthat has nothing to do with work?\n\n1494\n00:58:22.200 --> 00:58:24.040\n- How to get better in tennis?\n\n1495\n00:58:24.040 --> 00:58:26.560\n- What's the one thing that you do just for you?\n\n1496\n00:58:26.560 --> 00:58:28.860\n- I probably do too many things just for me.\n\n1497\n00:58:28.860 --> 00:58:33.000\n- Yeah, I try to work out, you know?\n\n1498\n00:58:33.000 --> 00:58:35.840\nI mean, just work out and stay in shape.\n\n1499\n00:58:35.840 --> 00:58:37.480\n- Besides your family and friends,\n\n1500\n00:58:37.480 --> 00:58:39.440\nwhat's your most prized possession?\n\n1501\n00:58:39.440 --> 00:58:42.000\n- You know, probably our house, I don't know.\n\n1502\n00:58:42.000 --> 00:58:43.960\nIf I turned the radio on in the car,\n\n1503\n00:58:43.960 --> 00:58:45.360\nwhat would I hear in your car?\n\n1504\n00:58:45.360 --> 00:58:48.960\n- You'd hear probably Bruce Springsteen or Jackson Brown.\n\n1505\n00:58:48.960 --> 00:58:50.200\n- That's fantastic.\n\n1506\n00:58:50.200 --> 00:58:52.320\nWhat's something about you a few people would know?\n\n1507\n00:58:52.320 --> 00:58:54.160\n- I think probably people know too much.\n\n1508\n00:58:54.160 --> 00:58:55.800\nHey, we're opening up a restaurant in Dallas,\n\n1509\n00:58:55.800 --> 00:58:56.640\nhow about that?\n\n1510\n00:58:56.640 --> 00:58:58.040\n- All right, that's a good one.\n\n1511\n00:58:58.040 --> 00:59:01.600\n- Called Cafe Luca, when you're in town,\n\n1512\n00:59:01.600 --> 00:59:03.000\nyou gotta come see us, man.\n\n1513\n00:59:03.000 --> 00:59:03.920\n- I will.\n\n1514\n00:59:03.920 --> 00:59:05.560\nWhat's one of your daily rituals?\n\n1515\n00:59:05.560 --> 00:59:07.480\nSomething that you'd never miss?\n\n1516\n00:59:07.480 --> 00:59:09.400\n- Yeah, some form of exercise.\n\n1517\n00:59:09.400 --> 00:59:11.560\n- All right, we're out of the lightning round, Jason.\n\n1518\n00:59:11.560 --> 00:59:13.880\nJust a few more questions, I'll let you go here.\n\n1519\n00:59:13.880 --> 00:59:17.680\nWhat would be the best pregame speech you ever gave you?\n\n1520\n00:59:17.680 --> 00:59:19.080\nDoes one come top of mind?\n\n1521\n00:59:19.080 --> 00:59:22.040\n- You know, I have a great friend\n\n1522\n00:59:22.040 --> 00:59:24.880\nwho was an amazing minister at the Methodist church\n\n1523\n00:59:24.880 --> 00:59:28.440\nhere in Dallas, who used to say I have one sermon,\n\n1524\n00:59:28.440 --> 00:59:30.800\nI tell it 52 different ways.\n\n1525\n00:59:30.800 --> 00:59:34.240\nAnd I think that's a lot what coaches do.\n\n1526\n00:59:34.240 --> 00:59:36.800\nYou know, my one sermon is all about being who you are,\n\n1527\n00:59:36.800 --> 00:59:39.000\nbeing the best version of yourself,\n\n1528\n00:59:39.000 --> 00:59:40.880\nand you try to tell it a million different ways.\n\n1529\n00:59:40.880 --> 00:59:44.720\nI can remember we played the San Francisco 49ers,\n\n1530\n00:59:44.720 --> 00:59:47.160\nit was my first year as the head coach.\n\n1531\n00:59:47.160 --> 00:59:50.680\nAnd one of my most memorable for me\n\n1532\n00:59:50.680 --> 00:59:55.000\nwas we talked about California being the land of opportunity.\n\n1533\n00:59:55.000 --> 00:59:58.240\nAnd if you think about going back to the gold rush, right?\n\n1534\n00:59:58.240 --> 01:00:02.840\n1849, people are going to California to find gold.\n\n1535\n01:00:02.840 --> 01:00:05.480\nAnd you think about every starlet, you know,\n\n1536\n01:00:05.480 --> 01:00:07.720\nin every small town all across America,\n\n1537\n01:00:07.720 --> 01:00:08.800\ngoing to Hollywood.\n\n1538\n01:00:08.800 --> 01:00:12.520\nAnd you think about guys going to Silicon Valley and all of that.\n\n1539\n01:00:12.520 --> 01:00:13.880\nAnd we were going there,\n\n1540\n01:00:13.880 --> 01:00:16.280\nwe're going to Santa Clara, California.\n\n1541\n01:00:16.280 --> 01:00:18.120\nAnd I talked a lot about opportunity\n\n1542\n01:00:18.120 --> 01:00:20.400\nand us being the best version of ourself\n\n1543\n01:00:20.400 --> 01:00:22.600\nto embrace the opportunity that we had\n\n1544\n01:00:22.600 --> 01:00:24.040\nto go play the 49ers.\n\n1545\n01:00:24.040 --> 01:00:25.520\nAnd I'll never forget it.\n\n1546\n01:00:25.520 --> 01:00:27.640\nWe had a guy named Jesse Holly,\n\n1547\n01:00:27.640 --> 01:00:29.760\nwho made our team as a receiver.\n\n1548\n01:00:29.760 --> 01:00:31.440\nAnd you probably don't remember the story,\n\n1549\n01:00:31.440 --> 01:00:35.880\nhe had an opportunity to do it based on a reality show.\n\n1550\n01:00:35.880 --> 01:00:37.440\nHe had a chance to come to,\n\n1551\n01:00:37.440 --> 01:00:39.040\nhad a chance to be the 90 to the guy\n\n1552\n01:00:39.040 --> 01:00:41.800\nwe've been to training camp from this reality show.\n\n1553\n01:00:41.800 --> 01:00:44.320\nAnd he turns out he makes our team.\n\n1554\n01:00:44.320 --> 01:00:46.680\nAnd so at the end of the game,\n\n1555\n01:00:46.680 --> 01:00:48.800\nwe tie it up and we go to overtime.\n\n1556\n01:00:48.800 --> 01:00:50.800\nAnd the second play of overtime,\n\n1557\n01:00:50.800 --> 01:00:53.200\nTony Romo throws him a post.\n\n1558\n01:00:53.200 --> 01:00:57.080\nHe was wide open, catches it and goes 60 yards down the field,\n\n1559\n01:00:57.080 --> 01:00:59.400\ngets knocked out of bounds at the two yard line.\n\n1560\n01:00:59.400 --> 01:01:01.480\nWe're going to kick a field goal to win it over time.\n\n1561\n01:01:01.480 --> 01:01:03.880\nI'll never forget when he gets tackled.\n\n1562\n01:01:03.880 --> 01:01:05.440\nHe's lying on the ground.\n\n1563\n01:01:05.440 --> 01:01:09.200\nHe's like, California's the land of opportunity, you know?\n\n1564\n01:01:09.200 --> 01:01:17.640\nAnd here he was, he took advantage of,\n\n1565\n01:01:17.640 --> 01:01:18.800\nwe ended up winning the game.\n\n1566\n01:01:18.800 --> 01:01:21.600\nSo that one always kind of stuck out for me.\n\n1567\n01:01:21.600 --> 01:01:23.640\nI love it.\n\n1568\n01:01:23.640 --> 01:01:27.600\nNow you and your wife, Brill, you met at Princeton.\n\n1569\n01:01:27.600 --> 01:01:30.320\nWhat role has she played in all you've been able to do\n\n1570\n01:01:30.320 --> 01:01:31.280\nin your career?\n\n1571\n01:01:31.280 --> 01:01:32.440\nShe's been amazing, you know?\n\n1572\n01:01:32.440 --> 01:01:35.040\nLike I said, I met her probably when I was 20 years old\n\n1573\n01:01:35.040 --> 01:01:37.800\nand, you know, we've been together for a long time.\n\n1574\n01:01:37.800 --> 01:01:40.240\nAnd, you know, you think about all the different paths\n\n1575\n01:01:40.240 --> 01:01:42.280\nyou take, all the different ups and downs you have.\n\n1576\n01:01:42.280 --> 01:01:44.800\nI told you I was a fledgling football player.\n\n1577\n01:01:44.800 --> 01:01:47.120\nI went down and I was part of the Saints team\n\n1578\n01:01:47.120 --> 01:01:48.960\non their practice squad in my rookie year.\n\n1579\n01:01:48.960 --> 01:01:50.200\nThen I got cut.\n\n1580\n01:01:50.200 --> 01:01:52.720\nI played in Canada, I played in the World League.\n\n1581\n01:01:52.720 --> 01:01:54.520\nFinally, I go to Dallas all the while.\n\n1582\n01:01:54.520 --> 01:01:57.080\nShe's in law school and, you know,\n\n1583\n01:01:57.080 --> 01:02:00.040\njust kind of staying with me through all of that\n\n1584\n01:02:00.040 --> 01:02:02.600\nand believing in me and stilling belief in me.\n\n1585\n01:02:02.600 --> 01:02:05.880\nAnd, you know, when things were tough, she was there.\n\n1586\n01:02:05.880 --> 01:02:07.960\nWhen things were good, she was a huge part\n\n1587\n01:02:07.960 --> 01:02:09.400\nof why they were good.\n\n1588\n01:02:09.400 --> 01:02:13.800\nAnd, you know, so she's meant everything to me.\n\n1589\n01:02:13.800 --> 01:02:18.040\nSo Jason, what do you see now as your unfinished business?\n\n1590\n01:02:18.040 --> 01:02:21.400\nWell, again, you know, a couple of years ago\n\n1591\n01:02:21.400 --> 01:02:25.200\nwe were on the beach and Brill and I were talking\n\n1592\n01:02:25.200 --> 01:02:28.720\nto this woman and her daughter.\n\n1593\n01:02:28.720 --> 01:02:30.400\nThe woman was probably in her 70s,\n\n1594\n01:02:30.400 --> 01:02:32.400\ndaughter maybe in her 40s.\n\n1595\n01:02:32.400 --> 01:02:35.800\nAnd we asked them, I said to the daughter,\n\n1596\n01:02:35.800 --> 01:02:37.960\nI said, \"Where do you live?\"\n\n1597\n01:02:37.960 --> 01:02:40.800\nAnd she said, \"You know, I used to live in LA\n\n1598\n01:02:40.800 --> 01:02:42.640\nand now I live in the present.\"\n\n1599\n01:02:42.640 --> 01:02:45.000\n(laughing)\n\n1600\n01:02:45.000 --> 01:02:46.520\nAnd I was like, \"Huh?\"\n\n1601\n01:02:46.520 --> 01:02:48.520\nYou know, I said, \"That's really good.\"\n\n1602\n01:02:48.520 --> 01:02:50.720\nAnd, you know, that's really what I've always tried to do.\n\n1603\n01:02:50.720 --> 01:02:53.320\nYou kind of live in the moment and embrace the opportunities.\n\n1604\n01:02:53.320 --> 01:02:56.120\nSo, you know, this opportunity came upon me\n\n1605\n01:02:56.120 --> 01:02:58.000\nto go interview with the Tennessee Titans.\n\n1606\n01:02:58.000 --> 01:02:59.720\nSo I'm excited about that opportunity.\n\n1607\n01:02:59.720 --> 01:03:03.520\nBut, you know, I don't have regrets about things.\n\n1608\n01:03:03.520 --> 01:03:05.840\nYou look around and see what you want to do.\n\n1609\n01:03:05.840 --> 01:03:08.200\nAnd the most valuable commodity we have,\n\n1610\n01:03:08.200 --> 01:03:09.400\nas you know, is time.\n\n1611\n01:03:09.400 --> 01:03:12.160\nSo you want to make sure you're using your time wisely\n\n1612\n01:03:12.160 --> 01:03:13.480\nand you're embracing the right thing.\n\n1613\n01:03:13.480 --> 01:03:17.200\nSo, you know, depending on what presents itself,\n\n1614\n01:03:17.200 --> 01:03:19.360\nI'll try to dive in and take full advantage\n\n1615\n01:03:19.360 --> 01:03:21.240\nof whatever those opportunities are.\n\n1616\n01:03:21.240 --> 01:03:24.480\nJason, you know, we're having this podcast here\n\n1617\n01:03:24.480 --> 01:03:25.320\non Leadership.\n\n1618\n01:03:25.320 --> 01:03:27.080\nI understand you're going to do one.\n\n1619\n01:03:27.080 --> 01:03:28.720\nI'm not going to look at you as a competitor\n\n1620\n01:03:28.720 --> 01:03:30.880\n'cause we're like spreading the word, you know,\n\n1621\n01:03:30.880 --> 01:03:32.000\nwe're trying to help people.\n\n1622\n01:03:32.000 --> 01:03:33.440\nBut tell me about it.\n\n1623\n01:03:33.440 --> 01:03:35.080\n- You know, it's a really fun project.\n\n1624\n01:03:35.080 --> 01:03:36.920\nWe're calling a coach to coach.\n\n1625\n01:03:36.920 --> 01:03:40.080\nAnd, you know, I've talked to four head coaches,\n\n1626\n01:03:40.080 --> 01:03:42.560\nguys who are really good at what they do.\n\n1627\n01:03:42.560 --> 01:03:45.800\nAnd the conversation isn't about last week's game\n\n1628\n01:03:45.800 --> 01:03:49.040\nor next week's game or how their quarterback is playing.\n\n1629\n01:03:49.040 --> 01:03:51.480\nIt's really about all the stuff we've been talking about.\n\n1630\n01:03:51.480 --> 01:03:53.840\nIt's about, you know, building an organization\n\n1631\n01:03:53.840 --> 01:03:55.960\nand creating a vision and hiring people\n\n1632\n01:03:55.960 --> 01:03:58.160\nand handling adversity and all of that.\n\n1633\n01:03:58.160 --> 01:04:02.000\nAnd so I sat down with Andy Reed and Sean Payton\n\n1634\n01:04:02.000 --> 01:04:05.320\nand Dan Campbell and Dan Quinn, guys that, you know,\n\n1635\n01:04:05.320 --> 01:04:08.880\nin some cases I've played for or coached with\n\n1636\n01:04:08.880 --> 01:04:12.360\nor played with and other cases have gone against.\n\n1637\n01:04:12.360 --> 01:04:15.480\nAnd guys, I really respect his people,\n\n1638\n01:04:15.480 --> 01:04:18.240\nrespect his head coaches and maybe most importantly,\n\n1639\n01:04:18.240 --> 01:04:19.520\nrespect his leaders.\n\n1640\n01:04:19.520 --> 01:04:21.600\nAnd the conversation was probably a little bit\n\n1641\n01:04:21.600 --> 01:04:24.640\nlike our conversation where we sat for an hour\n\n1642\n01:04:24.640 --> 01:04:27.440\nand we just talked about their journey and their path\n\n1643\n01:04:27.440 --> 01:04:29.640\nand some of the wisdom that they can share with people.\n\n1644\n01:04:29.640 --> 01:04:33.600\nAnd, you know, it was a really fun project for me to do.\n\n1645\n01:04:33.600 --> 01:04:35.240\nI learned so much from them.\n\n1646\n01:04:35.240 --> 01:04:39.040\nAnd I think anybody watching and any field of leadership,\n\n1647\n01:04:39.040 --> 01:04:40.480\nI think they can benefit from it.\n\n1648\n01:04:40.480 --> 01:04:42.640\nSo we're really excited about it.\n\n1649\n01:04:42.640 --> 01:04:44.040\nWe're proud of the work.\n\n1650\n01:04:44.040 --> 01:04:46.680\nYou know, the guys at Intersport in Chicago\n\n1651\n01:04:46.680 --> 01:04:48.600\nhave done an amazing job with the production of it.\n\n1652\n01:04:48.600 --> 01:04:50.280\nSo we're excited about it.\n\n1653\n01:04:50.280 --> 01:04:52.440\n- Fantastic, I can't wait to listen to.\n\n1654\n01:04:52.440 --> 01:04:53.560\nAll right, last question.\n\n1655\n01:04:53.560 --> 01:04:55.360\nWhat's one piece of advice you'd give\n\n1656\n01:04:55.360 --> 01:04:57.880\nto anyone who wants to be a better leader?\n\n1657\n01:04:57.880 --> 01:04:59.120\n- You know, I think the biggest thing\n\n1658\n01:04:59.120 --> 01:05:01.080\nis you have to lead yourself\n\n1659\n01:05:01.080 --> 01:05:04.720\nand you have to try to get yourself in order.\n\n1660\n01:05:04.720 --> 01:05:08.440\nAnd then I think that's when you can most positively\n\n1661\n01:05:08.440 --> 01:05:09.880\nimpact other people.\n\n1662\n01:05:09.880 --> 01:05:12.480\nAnd I think when you have stresses of leadership\n\n1663\n01:05:12.480 --> 01:05:14.600\nand there's pressures to succeed and all of that,\n\n1664\n01:05:14.600 --> 01:05:16.880\nsometimes you can lose sight of that.\n\n1665\n01:05:16.880 --> 01:05:18.800\nI know I did it different times.\n\n1666\n01:05:18.800 --> 01:05:23.320\nSo just remind yourself that you're more than the entity\n\n1667\n01:05:23.320 --> 01:05:28.240\nthat you're leading and don't have your value for yourself,\n\n1668\n01:05:28.240 --> 01:05:30.760\nbe so determined around the results and the outcome.\n\n1669\n01:05:30.760 --> 01:05:33.240\nAnd I think that's what gives you the great starting point.\n\n1670\n01:05:33.240 --> 01:05:35.280\nAnd then I think what we talked about, you know,\n\n1671\n01:05:35.280 --> 01:05:38.000\nhaving a vision for what you want it to look like,\n\n1672\n01:05:38.000 --> 01:05:39.560\nbringing the right people in,\n\n1673\n01:05:39.560 --> 01:05:42.440\nholding people accountable, empowering people,\n\n1674\n01:05:42.440 --> 01:05:44.000\nall of those things.\n\n1675\n01:05:44.000 --> 01:05:47.040\nYou know, ultimately leadership to me is about,\n\n1676\n01:05:47.040 --> 01:05:48.600\nis about being a great servant.\n\n1677\n01:05:48.600 --> 01:05:51.320\nAnd you hear people talk about servant leadership,\n\n1678\n01:05:51.320 --> 01:05:53.600\nbut you know, when I became the head coach of the Cowboys,\n\n1679\n01:05:53.600 --> 01:05:56.040\nI got a great email from Jimmy Johnson,\n\n1680\n01:05:56.040 --> 01:05:58.600\nwho was our head coach during the Super Bowl years.\n\n1681\n01:05:58.600 --> 01:06:00.320\nAnd he said, congratulations,\n\n1682\n01:06:00.320 --> 01:06:02.040\nthat was time to get to work.\n\n1683\n01:06:02.040 --> 01:06:04.240\nUnderstand your number one job as a leader\n\n1684\n01:06:04.240 --> 01:06:07.480\nis to create an environment where everybody can be their best.\n\n1685\n01:06:07.480 --> 01:06:09.040\nAnd that's what it is.\n\n1686\n01:06:09.040 --> 01:06:11.440\nIt's not about X's and O's or plays you call.\n\n1687\n01:06:11.440 --> 01:06:13.920\nIt's everybody in that building create an environment\n\n1688\n01:06:13.920 --> 01:06:15.680\nwhere they can be their absolute best.\n\n1689\n01:06:15.680 --> 01:06:17.320\nAnd that's when you'll be your best.\n\n1690\n01:06:17.320 --> 01:06:19.320\nSo I focused on that more than anything else.\n\n1691\n01:06:19.320 --> 01:06:22.120\nAnd I think that's probably the one piece of advice\n\n1692\n01:06:22.120 --> 01:06:23.480\nthat'd give to anybody.\n\n1693\n01:06:23.480 --> 01:06:25.280\n- Well, Jason, I want to thank you very much\n\n1694\n01:06:25.280 --> 01:06:28.600\nfor all the great insights you've had on leadership.\n\n1695\n01:06:28.600 --> 01:06:30.600\nYou're a hell of a person.\n\n1696\n01:06:30.600 --> 01:06:32.720\nAnd I'm so glad I got to know you better.\n\n1697\n01:06:32.720 --> 01:06:35.080\nAnd, you know, I know our listeners are going to learn\n\n1698\n01:06:35.080 --> 01:06:36.400\na lot from this conversation.\n\n1699\n01:06:36.400 --> 01:06:37.840\nSo thank you very much.\n\n1700\n01:06:37.840 --> 01:06:39.680\n- Well, David, I'm a huge fan of yours.\n\n1701\n01:06:39.680 --> 01:06:41.960\nAnd I'm getting you up to our football camp this summer.\n\n1702\n01:06:41.960 --> 01:06:42.800\nGet ready.\n\n1703\n01:06:42.800 --> 01:06:43.640\n(laughing)\n\n1704\n01:06:43.640 --> 01:06:44.640\n- Okay, my friend.\n\n1705\n01:06:50.320 --> 01:06:52.320\n- David, Jason Garrett's got me fired up.\n\n1706\n01:06:52.320 --> 01:06:55.320\nAbout Super Bowl, about potentially taking over\n\n1707\n01:06:55.320 --> 01:06:57.880\nas the head coach of the Tennessee Titans.\n\n1708\n01:06:57.880 --> 01:06:59.760\nI live in Nashville, so it would be excellent\n\n1709\n01:06:59.760 --> 01:07:02.720\nif you would bring his compelling vision to our town.\n\n1710\n01:07:02.720 --> 01:07:05.640\n- Yeah, you'd need a coach there in Nashville, for sure.\n\n1711\n01:07:05.640 --> 01:07:07.600\nYou certainly got rid of a really good one\n\n1712\n01:07:07.600 --> 01:07:09.080\nwho's taken the Patriots.\n\n1713\n01:07:09.080 --> 01:07:09.920\n(laughing)\n\n1714\n01:07:09.920 --> 01:07:11.520\n- Seriously.\n\n1715\n01:07:11.520 --> 01:07:13.840\n- How do you feel about losing Mike Raber\n\n1716\n01:07:13.840 --> 01:07:17.120\nall after the performance since he's had as a Pat?\n\n1717\n01:07:17.120 --> 01:07:17.920\nI mean, come on.\n\n1718\n01:07:17.920 --> 01:07:20.800\nThat was a bad move by the ownership there.\n\n1719\n01:07:20.800 --> 01:07:23.760\nOf course, I probably won't get those guys on the podcast.\n\n1720\n01:07:23.760 --> 01:07:27.960\n- Well, you got Jason Garrett, and that's a pretty good get.\n\n1721\n01:07:27.960 --> 01:07:30.040\nI'm excited to break down some of the key points\n\n1722\n01:07:30.040 --> 01:07:31.880\nthat he talked about in the episode\n\n1723\n01:07:31.880 --> 01:07:34.040\nand that you two really discussed\n\n1724\n01:07:34.040 --> 01:07:35.760\nso that our listeners have something practical\n\n1725\n01:07:35.760 --> 01:07:38.000\nthey can take away and apply to their own life\n\n1726\n01:07:38.000 --> 01:07:39.640\nand to their own leadership.\n\n1727\n01:07:39.640 --> 01:07:41.880\nSo, David, the first concept that I love,\n\n1728\n01:07:41.880 --> 01:07:43.680\nI loved many of the concepts as I do.\n\n1729\n01:07:43.680 --> 01:07:45.120\nAnd every single one of our episodes,\n\n1730\n01:07:45.120 --> 01:07:47.480\nblah, blah, blah, blah, you've heard me say that before.\n\n1731\n01:07:47.480 --> 01:07:49.840\nBut I loved when Jason talks about the story\n\n1732\n01:07:49.840 --> 01:07:54.160\nthat Jimmy Johnson had around managing pressure,\n\n1733\n01:07:54.160 --> 01:07:56.480\nthat analogy of the two by four.\n\n1734\n01:07:56.480 --> 01:07:58.120\nHe says the two by four is the same,\n\n1735\n01:07:58.120 --> 01:07:59.400\nwhether it's on the ground\n\n1736\n01:07:59.400 --> 01:08:01.440\nor whether it's 100 stories in the air.\n\n1737\n01:08:01.440 --> 01:08:03.240\nSo, it's the same two by four.\n\n1738\n01:08:03.240 --> 01:08:06.680\nCan you execute when the stakes are a little bit higher?\n\n1739\n01:08:06.680 --> 01:08:09.040\nSo, when you think about high stakes moments\n\n1740\n01:08:09.040 --> 01:08:11.200\nin your career, David, you've never played in the Super Bowl,\n\n1741\n01:08:11.200 --> 01:08:14.440\nbut you've had some Super Bowl-esque moments in your career.\n\n1742\n01:08:14.440 --> 01:08:17.520\nHow do you stay grounded and focused and confident\n\n1743\n01:08:17.520 --> 01:08:19.720\nthat you know what to do to get it done?\n\n1744\n01:08:19.720 --> 01:08:22.400\n- Yeah, and just to be clear about what that analogy was\n\n1745\n01:08:22.400 --> 01:08:25.920\nis that he's saying that if you ask these players\n\n1746\n01:08:25.920 --> 01:08:29.960\nto walk across this board when it's on the ground,\n\n1747\n01:08:29.960 --> 01:08:32.880\nthey could do head flips and handstands\n\n1748\n01:08:32.880 --> 01:08:37.240\nand, you know, waltz and pirouettes.\n\n1749\n01:08:37.240 --> 01:08:38.960\nThey would have no problem all,\n\n1750\n01:08:38.960 --> 01:08:41.440\nbut you put it up 10,000 feet.\n\n1751\n01:08:41.440 --> 01:08:44.480\nMan, you'd be afraid that you might fall.\n\n1752\n01:08:44.480 --> 01:08:48.360\nAnd he said, let's play like that two by fours on the ground.\n\n1753\n01:08:48.360 --> 01:08:50.480\nYou know, and that's how we're gonna really perform.\n\n1754\n01:08:50.480 --> 01:08:52.320\nAnd that's what you really have to do.\n\n1755\n01:08:52.320 --> 01:08:54.480\nYou know, the more pressure you put on yourself\n\n1756\n01:08:54.480 --> 01:08:56.240\nin high pressure situations,\n\n1757\n01:08:56.240 --> 01:08:59.400\nthe worse most people generally do.\n\n1758\n01:08:59.400 --> 01:09:01.440\nYou know, one of the things we tried to train people to do\n\n1759\n01:09:01.440 --> 01:09:04.000\nat young brands was to untry.\n\n1760\n01:09:04.000 --> 01:09:08.760\nLiterally, untry, let your talents take over, be free.\n\n1761\n01:09:08.760 --> 01:09:12.920\nIn golf, you know, all the mental performance coaches\n\n1762\n01:09:12.920 --> 01:09:15.040\ntalk to you about, you know, visualize\n\n1763\n01:09:15.040 --> 01:09:17.240\nwhat you wanna have happen.\n\n1764\n01:09:17.240 --> 01:09:21.720\nYou know, breathe so that you calm your mind.\n\n1765\n01:09:21.720 --> 01:09:23.880\nThink about, if you've got a nine iron\n\n1766\n01:09:23.880 --> 01:09:25.800\nthat you gotta put on the green\n\n1767\n01:09:25.800 --> 01:09:28.440\nto make sure that you're in position to win,\n\n1768\n01:09:28.440 --> 01:09:31.840\nthink about the best nine iron you ever hit in your life.\n\n1769\n01:09:31.840 --> 01:09:35.120\nYou know, but be so positive about bringing\n\n1770\n01:09:35.120 --> 01:09:39.440\nyour full potential out and don't be worried about the outcome.\n\n1771\n01:09:39.440 --> 01:09:42.320\nSo many times people worry about the outcome so much,\n\n1772\n01:09:42.320 --> 01:09:44.120\nit gets in the way of the performance\n\n1773\n01:09:44.120 --> 01:09:47.480\nthat they need to have to get the right outcome.\n\n1774\n01:09:47.480 --> 01:09:49.920\nAnd, but I think Jimmy Johnson's analogy\n\n1775\n01:09:49.920 --> 01:09:52.840\nthat Jason Garrett talked about is great.\n\n1776\n01:09:52.840 --> 01:09:56.040\nHe said, we know, and we, back then he said,\n\n1777\n01:09:56.040 --> 01:09:57.320\nwe knew the Dallas Cowboys,\n\n1778\n01:09:57.320 --> 01:10:00.400\nif they played the Buffalo Bills, you know,\n\n1779\n01:10:00.400 --> 01:10:02.800\n10 out of 10 times and they both played\n\n1780\n01:10:02.800 --> 01:10:05.640\nto their best abilities, Dallas would win 10 times.\n\n1781\n01:10:05.640 --> 01:10:07.840\nThe only thing that would keep them from winning\n\n1782\n01:10:07.840 --> 01:10:10.520\nis that they didn't play like they usually do.\n\n1783\n01:10:10.520 --> 01:10:13.680\nSo he reminded people, just play like you usually do.\n\n1784\n01:10:13.680 --> 01:10:15.880\nYou know, use the skills that you have\n\n1785\n01:10:15.880 --> 01:10:19.680\nand perform at your best using those skills that you have,\n\n1786\n01:10:19.680 --> 01:10:23.160\nnot worrying about what the hell's gonna happen\n\n1787\n01:10:23.160 --> 01:10:25.480\nif you lost on the biggest stage.\n\n1788\n01:10:25.480 --> 01:10:27.880\nSo I think that's how you get really ready for those moments.\n\n1789\n01:10:27.880 --> 01:10:29.400\nNow, the other thing you have to do\n\n1790\n01:10:29.400 --> 01:10:32.240\nto get ready for those moments is be prepared.\n\n1791\n01:10:32.240 --> 01:10:35.640\nHe also told him, you know, you put in the hard yards,\n\n1792\n01:10:35.640 --> 01:10:38.040\nyou put in the work, we're ready.\n\n1793\n01:10:38.040 --> 01:10:39.960\nNobody should touch us.\n\n1794\n01:10:39.960 --> 01:10:42.400\nAnd, you know, so if you put in the hard work,\n\n1795\n01:10:42.400 --> 01:10:43.880\nthen it all becomes mental.\n\n1796\n01:10:43.880 --> 01:10:46.600\nAre you gonna bring your mental game into play?\n\n1797\n01:10:46.600 --> 01:10:50.040\nAnd that's when I think Jason understands so well.\n\n1798\n01:10:50.040 --> 01:10:52.520\nAnd he learned that with the great analogy\n\n1799\n01:10:52.520 --> 01:10:54.640\nthat he still uses to this day,\n\n1800\n01:10:54.640 --> 01:10:57.600\nwhich I've used four or five times since I heard it.\n\n1801\n01:10:57.600 --> 01:11:00.280\nThe Jimmy Johnson game, I love that analogy.\n\n1802\n01:11:00.280 --> 01:11:01.200\n- It's so bad.\n\n1803\n01:11:01.200 --> 01:11:03.040\nIt reminds me a little bit of what Rory McElroy\n\n1804\n01:11:03.040 --> 01:11:04.440\ntalks about in your episode with him.\n\n1805\n01:11:04.440 --> 01:11:08.080\nHe said, the greatest players don't rise to the level\n\n1806\n01:11:08.080 --> 01:11:10.720\nof their goals, they fall to the level of their systems\n\n1807\n01:11:10.720 --> 01:11:12.920\nand systems being how you prepare for a game.\n\n1808\n01:11:12.920 --> 01:11:16.040\nSo if you've worked hard on your preparation\n\n1809\n01:11:16.040 --> 01:11:18.920\nand your systems, then you can untry\n\n1810\n01:11:18.920 --> 01:11:21.080\nin those high pressure moments and trust\n\n1811\n01:11:21.080 --> 01:11:23.680\nthat your preparation will lead you to where you wanna go.\n\n1812\n01:11:23.680 --> 01:11:25.480\n- And just let it go, be free.\n\n1813\n01:11:25.480 --> 01:11:27.000\nEverybody's talks about being free.\n\n1814\n01:11:27.000 --> 01:11:30.000\nWell, you can be free when you know you have the capability\n\n1815\n01:11:30.000 --> 01:11:33.040\nand you rely on that capability and you trust\n\n1816\n01:11:33.040 --> 01:11:34.600\nthat you can execute the skills\n\n1817\n01:11:34.600 --> 01:11:36.520\nthat you've prepared so hard to have.\n\n1818\n01:11:36.520 --> 01:11:38.360\n- David, are you going to Nashville to interview\n\n1819\n01:11:38.360 --> 01:11:40.200\nfor the head coaching draft for the Tennessee Titans?\n\n1820\n01:11:40.200 --> 01:11:41.360\nBecause you send them off a lot\n\n1821\n01:11:41.360 --> 01:11:42.760\nlike a football coach right now.\n\n1822\n01:11:42.760 --> 01:11:44.800\n- No, no, no, no, no.\n\n1823\n01:11:44.800 --> 01:11:47.160\nI like to think that I might've been a halfway decent coach\n\n1824\n01:11:47.160 --> 01:11:48.520\nbut I don't know anything about football.\n\n1825\n01:11:48.520 --> 01:11:50.680\nYou need to know what you're talking about\n\n1826\n01:11:50.680 --> 01:11:51.800\nto be a good coach.\n\n1827\n01:11:51.800 --> 01:11:53.160\n- In the episode, it's clear too\n\n1828\n01:11:53.160 --> 01:11:56.040\nthat Jason Garrett had this incredible camaraderie\n\n1829\n01:11:56.040 --> 01:11:58.880\nwith his teammates when he played for the Cowboys.\n\n1830\n01:11:58.880 --> 01:12:01.160\nAnd it's clear, and if you remember back\n\n1831\n01:12:01.160 --> 01:12:05.120\nto that early 90s era Cowboys, they had an incredible bond.\n\n1832\n01:12:05.120 --> 01:12:07.800\nI mean, you've got Troy Eggman, Emmett Smith, Michael Irvin,\n\n1833\n01:12:07.800 --> 01:12:10.400\nDion Sanders, Jason Garrett.\n\n1834\n01:12:10.400 --> 01:12:13.960\nThat team bond led them through some really tough situations\n\n1835\n01:12:13.960 --> 01:12:16.760\nand it's what kept them going when things got really hard.\n\n1836\n01:12:16.760 --> 01:12:19.960\nAnd when you think about this idea of team bonding\n\n1837\n01:12:19.960 --> 01:12:21.480\nin a business setting,\n\n1838\n01:12:21.480 --> 01:12:25.520\nhow can you encourage authentic team bonds\n\n1839\n01:12:25.520 --> 01:12:27.880\nwithout it feeling cheesy or gimmicky\n\n1840\n01:12:27.880 --> 01:12:29.920\nwithout making people walk across goals\n\n1841\n01:12:29.920 --> 01:12:32.160\nto show that they're committed to the team?\n\n1842\n01:12:32.160 --> 01:12:34.400\n- Yeah, well, that's something\n\n1843\n01:12:34.400 --> 01:12:36.160\nthat I think every leader really wants to get.\n\n1844\n01:12:36.160 --> 01:12:39.040\nAnd I think the key to bonding is shared experiences.\n\n1845\n01:12:39.040 --> 01:12:40.320\nI think it's the leader what you have to do\n\n1846\n01:12:40.320 --> 01:12:42.280\nis you have to bring the team together\n\n1847\n01:12:42.280 --> 01:12:44.680\nand have them go through the same things together,\n\n1848\n01:12:44.680 --> 01:12:47.160\ngo through those experiences together\n\n1849\n01:12:47.160 --> 01:12:49.760\nso that they can look back on that experience\n\n1850\n01:12:49.760 --> 01:12:53.120\nand say we did this and because we did that,\n\n1851\n01:12:53.120 --> 01:12:54.760\nwe're gonna be able to do this.\n\n1852\n01:12:54.760 --> 01:12:57.640\nAnd it just, it works that way.\n\n1853\n01:12:57.640 --> 01:12:58.600\nI was very lucky.\n\n1854\n01:12:58.600 --> 01:13:03.000\nIn fact, I talked to this guy this past week, Larry Senn.\n\n1855\n01:13:03.000 --> 01:13:05.160\nLarry Senn is the father of culture.\n\n1856\n01:13:05.160 --> 01:13:08.360\nAnd when I was the head of KFC,\n\n1857\n01:13:08.360 --> 01:13:10.520\nI had a lot of really great ideas,\n\n1858\n01:13:10.520 --> 01:13:13.280\nbut I really didn't have the process to put in place\n\n1859\n01:13:13.280 --> 01:13:14.840\nto really execute the culture\n\n1860\n01:13:14.840 --> 01:13:16.400\nbecause I was more of a one man band.\n\n1861\n01:13:16.400 --> 01:13:18.280\nI was out there giving the big speech\n\n1862\n01:13:18.280 --> 01:13:20.360\nand doing my own personal recognition,\n\n1863\n01:13:20.360 --> 01:13:22.800\nbut I was doing it with, you know,\n\n1864\n01:13:22.800 --> 01:13:26.280\nwith an organization that had 200,000 people, you know?\n\n1865\n01:13:26.280 --> 01:13:29.320\nAnd it's like, you know, one leader can't impact anybody\n\n1866\n01:13:29.320 --> 01:13:30.160\nby himself.\n\n1867\n01:13:30.160 --> 01:13:32.760\nSo how do you really build not only team bonding,\n\n1868\n01:13:32.760 --> 01:13:34.600\nbut bonding throughout the organization,\n\n1869\n01:13:34.600 --> 01:13:36.520\nyou build a culture.\n\n1870\n01:13:36.520 --> 01:13:38.520\nAnd Larry Senn knows how to build cultures.\n\n1871\n01:13:38.520 --> 01:13:40.040\nAnd one of the things that he had\n\n1872\n01:13:40.040 --> 01:13:42.080\nis he had a number of exercises\n\n1873\n01:13:42.080 --> 01:13:46.000\nthat he took people through that created team bonding.\n\n1874\n01:13:46.000 --> 01:13:49.280\nAnd, you know, from the basics of just talking about\n\n1875\n01:13:49.280 --> 01:13:51.960\nthree things about yourself that no one knows\n\n1876\n01:13:51.960 --> 01:13:53.840\nand sharing that with your teammate.\n\n1877\n01:13:53.840 --> 01:13:57.240\nFrom doing learning about the mood elevator,\n\n1878\n01:13:57.240 --> 01:13:59.800\nlearning about the accountability ladder,\n\n1879\n01:13:59.800 --> 01:14:01.920\nyou know, learning, taking the F exercise\n\n1880\n01:14:01.920 --> 01:14:03.920\nwhere you, you know, count the number of Fs\n\n1881\n01:14:03.920 --> 01:14:06.200\nin a paragraph where everybody gets it wrong.\n\n1882\n01:14:06.200 --> 01:14:07.440\nAll these exercises,\n\n1883\n01:14:07.440 --> 01:14:10.440\nbut they created shared experiences with the team\n\n1884\n01:14:10.440 --> 01:14:12.320\nand you learned so much about each other\n\n1885\n01:14:12.320 --> 01:14:13.600\nbecause you did them.\n\n1886\n01:14:13.600 --> 01:14:16.040\nNow you can have formal training like that,\n\n1887\n01:14:16.040 --> 01:14:18.680\nwhich Larry really helped me with my organization.\n\n1888\n01:14:18.680 --> 01:14:21.440\nAnd one of the reasons why we created the global culture\n\n1889\n01:14:21.440 --> 01:14:23.840\nthat I think really helped us drive compound\n\n1890\n01:14:23.840 --> 01:14:26.080\nor growth year after year at young brands,\n\n1891\n01:14:26.080 --> 01:14:29.760\nbut you also need to take your team together\n\n1892\n01:14:29.760 --> 01:14:31.520\nand see things together.\n\n1893\n01:14:31.520 --> 01:14:33.840\nLike, we used to do bus rides\n\n1894\n01:14:33.840 --> 01:14:36.120\nwhere we would go from restaurant to restaurant,\n\n1895\n01:14:36.120 --> 01:14:38.760\ngo into competition and look at the competitor,\n\n1896\n01:14:38.760 --> 01:14:42.040\ngo back into the bus ride and, you know,\n\n1897\n01:14:42.040 --> 01:14:45.040\ngoing back in the bus and talk about what we learned.\n\n1898\n01:14:45.040 --> 01:14:47.640\nWe liked that so much, then we started doing with customers.\n\n1899\n01:14:47.640 --> 01:14:49.800\nWe had the customers go into these different concepts\n\n1900\n01:14:49.800 --> 01:14:51.280\nand then they would talk to us\n\n1901\n01:14:51.280 --> 01:14:54.120\nabout what they liked about the different concepts.\n\n1902\n01:14:54.120 --> 01:14:56.680\nBut it was a shared experience that we always went back to.\n\n1903\n01:14:56.680 --> 01:14:58.600\nWe did best practice visits.\n\n1904\n01:14:58.600 --> 01:15:01.880\nWe went to Walmart and Southwest Airlines and Cisco\n\n1905\n01:15:01.880 --> 01:15:03.280\nand we went to these great companies\n\n1906\n01:15:03.280 --> 01:15:05.120\nand we said, what did we learn?\n\n1907\n01:15:05.120 --> 01:15:07.400\nAnd then we could harken back to those great,\n\n1908\n01:15:07.400 --> 01:15:11.440\ngreat processes and the great learnings that we had.\n\n1909\n01:15:11.440 --> 01:15:15.600\nBut the best thing that I ever did to drive team bonding\n\n1910\n01:15:15.600 --> 01:15:19.560\nwas just do the exercises on how to reveal\n\n1911\n01:15:19.560 --> 01:15:22.760\nyour own self-awareness to other people.\n\n1912\n01:15:22.760 --> 01:15:24.840\nAnd when you do that and you open yourself up,\n\n1913\n01:15:24.840 --> 01:15:27.840\noh my God, you found pay dirt.\n\n1914\n01:15:27.840 --> 01:15:30.600\n- David, that reminds me of last summer we invited\n\n1915\n01:15:30.600 --> 01:15:32.320\nsome of the educators who are part of our lead\n\n1916\n01:15:32.320 --> 01:15:34.400\nfor change student leadership program.\n\n1917\n01:15:34.400 --> 01:15:35.760\nIt's for middle and high school educators\n\n1918\n01:15:35.760 --> 01:15:38.000\nall across the country and we brought them together\n\n1919\n01:15:38.000 --> 01:15:40.200\nto pour into them, but also to allow them\n\n1920\n01:15:40.200 --> 01:15:42.200\nto help us make the program better\n\n1921\n01:15:42.200 --> 01:15:44.800\nso that we can continue to reach more educators\n\n1922\n01:15:44.800 --> 01:15:47.320\nso that we can reach more students and drive more impact.\n\n1923\n01:15:47.320 --> 01:15:50.320\nAnd it's interesting, we thought that that experience\n\n1924\n01:15:50.320 --> 01:15:53.600\nwould be more about the educators pouring into us,\n\n1925\n01:15:53.600 --> 01:15:55.520\nbut what we do a lot as a team,\n\n1926\n01:15:55.520 --> 01:15:57.080\nwhat we find ourselves talking about a lot\n\n1927\n01:15:57.080 --> 01:15:59.880\nis the shared experience of being there\n\n1928\n01:15:59.880 --> 01:16:02.240\nwith the educators who are our customers\n\n1929\n01:16:02.240 --> 01:16:04.320\nand harkening back, like you said,\n\n1930\n01:16:04.320 --> 01:16:07.440\nto some of the insights and thoughts that they shared\n\n1931\n01:16:07.440 --> 01:16:10.360\nthat we would never have known had we not invited them in,\n\n1932\n01:16:10.360 --> 01:16:14.440\nbut that was one of those sort of core bonding experiences\n\n1933\n01:16:14.440 --> 01:16:15.840\nif you will, that really allowed us,\n\n1934\n01:16:15.840 --> 01:16:18.480\nnot only to understand each other more,\n\n1935\n01:16:18.480 --> 01:16:21.880\nbut to also get incredible insights from our educators\n\n1936\n01:16:21.880 --> 01:16:25.640\nand is really something that I think we'll look back on\n\n1937\n01:16:25.640 --> 01:16:27.280\nfor a while to come.\n\n1938\n01:16:27.280 --> 01:16:29.400\n- Yeah, and I remember John Hamilton\n\n1939\n01:16:29.400 --> 01:16:32.960\nwho runs lead for change and Sarah, you guys were talking\n\n1940\n01:16:32.960 --> 01:16:35.480\nabout when this teacher said that and that teacher said that\n\n1941\n01:16:35.480 --> 01:16:39.960\nand that's a shared experience that really created\n\n1942\n01:16:39.960 --> 01:16:42.240\na tremendous bonding and the same thing happened\n\n1943\n01:16:42.240 --> 01:16:45.560\nwhen we went to the Wendy Novak Diabetes Institute together\n\n1944\n01:16:45.560 --> 01:16:49.040\nand we talked to the doctors and so,\n\n1945\n01:16:49.040 --> 01:16:53.520\nbut we didn't do it one person by themselves.\n\n1946\n01:16:53.520 --> 01:16:54.720\nNo, we took the team together,\n\n1947\n01:16:54.720 --> 01:16:57.360\nwe experienced it together and as a result,\n\n1948\n01:16:57.360 --> 01:17:00.960\nwe're able to really see it all together.\n\n1949\n01:17:00.960 --> 01:17:04.400\nAnd when you see it, then it creates a memory\n\n1950\n01:17:04.400 --> 01:17:08.080\nand memory stick and those memories are things\n\n1951\n01:17:08.080 --> 01:17:10.520\nthat really create the kind of bonding.\n\n1952\n01:17:10.520 --> 01:17:14.000\nAnd Jason Garrett, he'll talk about how he was in,\n\n1953\n01:17:14.000 --> 01:17:16.480\nhe came in on Thanksgiving day and they're playing\n\n1954\n01:17:16.480 --> 01:17:19.320\nthe Packers and the whole team got behind him\n\n1955\n01:17:19.320 --> 01:17:24.320\nbecause he'd been preparing for this moment\n\n1956\n01:17:24.320 --> 01:17:27.480\nand they beat the Packers and that's when the Packers\n\n1957\n01:17:27.480 --> 01:17:28.680\nhad a phenomenal team.\n\n1958\n01:17:28.680 --> 01:17:33.000\nSo, but it was that shared teammate experience\n\n1959\n01:17:33.000 --> 01:17:36.200\nthat helped them create a culture that really was put\n\n1960\n01:17:36.200 --> 01:17:40.320\ninto work when it was time to perform on that Thanksgiving day.\n\n1961\n01:17:40.320 --> 01:17:41.840\nDavid, that brings me to the next topic\n\n1962\n01:17:41.840 --> 01:17:43.280\nthat I want to talk about and it's something\n\n1963\n01:17:43.280 --> 01:17:48.320\nthat is very apparent in Jason's leadership philosophy\n\n1964\n01:17:48.320 --> 01:17:52.080\nand it's this idea that you can lead from anywhere on a team.\n\n1965\n01:17:52.080 --> 01:17:53.440\nYou just talked about that game,\n\n1966\n01:17:53.440 --> 01:17:55.120\nthat Thanksgiving game where they beat the Packers,\n\n1967\n01:17:55.120 --> 01:17:57.480\nhe's the third string quarterback and he's stepping in\n\n1968\n01:17:57.480 --> 01:18:00.160\nand leading this team to victory against the Packers\n\n1969\n01:18:00.160 --> 01:18:02.880\nwho were quarterbacked by Brett Favre at the time.\n\n1970\n01:18:02.880 --> 01:18:05.560\nAnd, you know, he hadn't been the starting quarterback\n\n1971\n01:18:05.560 --> 01:18:07.240\nobviously because he was third string,\n\n1972\n01:18:07.240 --> 01:18:11.000\nbut he still led in his own way from that place\n\n1973\n01:18:11.000 --> 01:18:13.680\nand that allowed him to show up in that big moment\n\n1974\n01:18:13.680 --> 01:18:17.360\nand have the trust he needed to take the team to victory.\n\n1975\n01:18:17.360 --> 01:18:19.120\nHe talks a lot in the episode\n\n1976\n01:18:19.120 --> 01:18:22.080\nabout how everyone is a leader in some way.\n\n1977\n01:18:22.080 --> 01:18:24.880\nSo I'm just curious, like for the people who might not see\n\n1978\n01:18:24.880 --> 01:18:28.120\nthemselves as a leader, what would you say to them?\n\n1979\n01:18:28.120 --> 01:18:32.040\n- Well, my mantra at Young Brands was be the leader,\n\n1980\n01:18:32.040 --> 01:18:34.960\nact like the leader, you can lead wherever you're at.\n\n1981\n01:18:34.960 --> 01:18:37.240\nYou know, that's true.\n\n1982\n01:18:37.240 --> 01:18:40.840\nI mean, if you're an admin, you can be the best admin,\n\n1983\n01:18:40.840 --> 01:18:42.760\nyou can show everybody how to be\n\n1984\n01:18:42.760 --> 01:18:45.080\nthe best administrative assistant there is.\n\n1985\n01:18:45.080 --> 01:18:48.080\nYou know, if you're the janitor,\n\n1986\n01:18:48.080 --> 01:18:51.080\nyou know, you can make sure that the floor's to clean us\n\n1987\n01:18:51.080 --> 01:18:53.680\nand it really lays out the fact that this is a company\n\n1988\n01:18:53.680 --> 01:18:54.760\nthat believes in quality.\n\n1989\n01:18:54.760 --> 01:18:59.760\nAnd if everybody does their piece of young brands well,\n\n1990\n01:18:59.760 --> 01:19:03.720\nwe all add up and we all get great growth.\n\n1991\n01:19:03.720 --> 01:19:06.320\nAnd that's kind of the mentality\n\n1992\n01:19:06.320 --> 01:19:08.560\nthat I think we really wanted to have.\n\n1993\n01:19:08.560 --> 01:19:12.160\nYou know, Jason Garrett should get together, Pat Kelsey,\n\n1994\n01:19:12.160 --> 01:19:14.040\nthe Louisville Cardinals basketball coach.\n\n1995\n01:19:14.040 --> 01:19:18.320\nThose two guys are so fired up and love leadership so much,\n\n1996\n01:19:18.320 --> 01:19:21.680\nbut Pat Kelsey said something which I'll never forget.\n\n1997\n01:19:21.680 --> 01:19:23.240\nCrush it where you're at.\n\n1998\n01:19:23.240 --> 01:19:25.160\nWhatever job you have in your organization,\n\n1999\n01:19:25.160 --> 01:19:26.920\njust crush it where you're at.\n\n2000\n01:19:26.920 --> 01:19:28.320\nWhen you crush it where you're at,\n\n2001\n01:19:28.320 --> 01:19:30.080\npeople are gonna notice their performance\n\n2002\n01:19:30.080 --> 01:19:32.280\nand you're gonna move up when you have that opportunity.\n\n2003\n01:19:32.280 --> 01:19:34.480\nAnd that's how he became an assistant coach\n\n2004\n01:19:34.480 --> 01:19:35.720\nwhen he didn't have the experience\n\n2005\n01:19:35.720 --> 01:19:37.440\nof a lot of other system coaches.\n\n2006\n01:19:37.440 --> 01:19:39.800\nSo, you know, you can lead from anywhere\n\n2007\n01:19:39.800 --> 01:19:42.040\nif you have that leadership mindset, you know,\n\n2008\n01:19:42.040 --> 01:19:43.840\nit's gonna pay off for the organization\n\n2009\n01:19:43.840 --> 01:19:45.600\nand it's gonna pay off from you.\n\n2010\n01:19:45.600 --> 01:19:47.300\n- I also David thought about drink,\n\n2011\n01:19:47.300 --> 01:19:49.560\nCoach Drinkwitz at Mizzou.\n\n2012\n01:19:49.560 --> 01:19:51.560\nWe could toss him in that group of Pat Kelsey\n\n2013\n01:19:51.560 --> 01:19:52.400\nand Jason Garrett.\n\n2014\n01:19:52.400 --> 01:19:56.280\nHe talks about the power of positive energy exchange\n\n2015\n01:19:56.280 --> 01:19:57.720\nand that's something that Jason mentions too.\n\n2016\n01:19:57.720 --> 01:19:58.920\nIt doesn't matter what role you're in.\n\n2017\n01:19:58.920 --> 01:20:02.520\nIf you bring positivity and impact with people\n\n2018\n01:20:02.520 --> 01:20:03.760\naround you in a positive way,\n\n2019\n01:20:03.760 --> 01:20:06.600\nthat goes further than you could really ever imagine\n\n2020\n01:20:06.600 --> 01:20:08.280\nbecause people remember that.\n\n2021\n01:20:08.280 --> 01:20:09.960\n- Yeah, leadership is contagious.\n\n2022\n01:20:09.960 --> 01:20:12.720\nYou know, positive energy loves people up,\n\n2023\n01:20:12.720 --> 01:20:14.560\nnegative energy brings people down.\n\n2024\n01:20:14.560 --> 01:20:16.240\nWhen you bring that positive energy to work,\n\n2025\n01:20:16.240 --> 01:20:17.920\nit's hard to be around somebody positive\n\n2026\n01:20:17.920 --> 01:20:20.800\nand stay negative without sensing that you're an EOR.\n\n2027\n01:20:20.800 --> 01:20:22.520\nAnd nobody wants an EOR.\n\n2028\n01:20:22.520 --> 01:20:25.160\nWe do not want EORs on our team.\n\n2029\n01:20:25.160 --> 01:20:27.240\nWe want people who are positive,\n\n2030\n01:20:27.240 --> 01:20:29.840\nfocused on making it happen no matter where they're at.\n\n2031\n01:20:29.840 --> 01:20:32.560\nAnd that's what Jason Garrett recognizes.\n\n2032\n01:20:32.560 --> 01:20:34.960\nAnd I think that's why he was such 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